Forget Their L's. Based On Their W's. Who's The Best Gatekeeper/Journeyman/Contender In The Biz?

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Gabriel Rosado - Jesus Soto Karass, Joshua Clottey, Glen Tapia, Kassim Ouma, Saul Roman, Sechew Powell. Draw with Luis Arias

    Hassan N'Dam - Martin Murray, Alphonso Blanco, Avtandil Khurtsidze, Curtis Stevens, Max Bursak, Fulgencio Zuniga, Anthony Fitzgerald, Patrick Mendy,

    John Molina Jr. - Ruslan Provodnikov, Henry Lundy, Ivan Redkach, Mickey Bey (arguably Omar Figueroa)

    Orlando Salido - Vasyl Lomachenko, Juanma Lopezx2, Robinson Castellanos, Robert Guerrero, Rogers Mtagwa, Kenichi Yamaguchi, Cristobal Cruz, Orlando Cruz, Terdsak Jandaeng, Weng Haya. Draws with Francisco Vargas and Roman Martinez

    Miguel Roman - Orlando Salido, Daniel Ponce De Leon, Juan Carlos Salgado, Dante Jardon, Nery Sanguilan, Juli Giner

    Isaac Chilemba - Maksym Vlasov, Edison Miranda, Denis Grachev, Blake Caparello, Vasily Lepikhin, Doudou Ngumbo, Wilbeforce Shihepo. Draw with Tony Bellew & Thomas Oosthuizen

    Antonio DeMarco - Jorge Linares, John Molina Jr., Mickey Roman, Lanardo Tyner, Eddie Ramirez, Almazbek Raiymkulov, Agnes Adjaho

    David Lemieux - Gabriel Rosado, Curtis Stevens, Hassan N'Dam, Glen Tapia, Gary O'Sullivan, Fernando Guerrero, Elvin Ayala, Marcus Upshaw, Karim Archour, Maco Reyes, Cristian Fabian Rios

    Francisco Santana - Felix Diaz, Eddie Gomez, Joachim Alcine, Freddy Hernandez, Ed Paredes. Draw with J-Rock

    Nadjib Mohammedi - Doudou Ngumbo, Medhi Amar, Hadillah Mouhamadi, Hakim Zoulikha, Anatonliy Dudchenko. (Arguably Fedor Chudinov)

    Pablo Cesar Cano - Jorge Linares, Mauricio Herrera, Ashley Theophane, Johan Perez, Ruslan Madiev, Jorge Silva. (Arguably Paulie Malignaggi & Shane Mosley)

    Josesito Lopez - Victor Ortiz, Mike Dallas Jr., Aaron Martinez, Miguel Cruz. (Arguably Jessie Vargas)

    Discuss.:deal:

    Add more to the list if you like.:deal:
     
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  2. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    Salido is a clear winner there for me.
     
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  3. IsaL

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    Salido was a true world champion not a journeyman or contender.
     
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  4. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Salido hands down. You forgot his fights with Yuriorkis Gamboa and the biggest one of all JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ!!!!!!!
    Hell you can throw in Cesar Soto who fought and beat Jose Luis Castillo (Floyd Mayweather killer) , Agapito Sanchez (Manny Pacquiao killer), Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia....

    You can do a entire thread on Degrees of Separation with Orlando Salido's resume and It'll probably end at Heavyweight somehow.
     
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  5. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    David Lemieux And you all know it
     
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  6. Iain

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    I've always liked LeMule. A level or so below world class but more than just a gate keeper. Carries some pretty serious firepower too
     
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  7. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Chisora you gonna leave Derek off that list homie
     
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  8. Robney

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    All very good fighters sporting a couple of losses. Salido's list is even longer as mentioned and is the standout here. Though it's not a very good kept secret that his record should come with a couple of asterisk's, which also makes his transition from journeyman to champion suspect to say the least.
    We recently had a cyclecrosser going from back of the pack to dominance within a single season... until she got caught.
     
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  9. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    this is wrong, some of these guys werre actual titlists. Titlists are titlists no matter what they become later in life, even if they are flash-in-the-pan.
     
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  10. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't like calling former champs "gatekeepers" but Salido is clearly heads and tails above everyone else IMO.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah I know, find me a better name to sum up someone with a ton of losses that's seen as a gatekeeper by many. That's still happens to have been a champ that'll fit into a thread title, maybe I'll use it. Regardless, you get the point of the thread. Its not that hard.
     
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  12. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    because he has never beaten anyone decent, aside from 38 year old takam.
     
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  13. The Akbar One

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    Ouma had lost three of his last four going into the Rosado fight. Not sure how that's even mentioned as a top win for anyone.
     
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  14. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Salido, Chilemba, or Lemieux.
     
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  15. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Aghhh it is hard, there must be a word for it, I know what you mean man, I’ve thesaurused the life out of ‘overachiever’ and come up with nowt lol. Either way of all the options it’s Lemieux.
     
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