'The challenger has to take the Championship from the champ'

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Holler, Apr 15, 2019.


Do you agree that 'the challenger has to take the championship from the champ?'

  1. Yes

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    30.6%

  2. No

    43 vote(s)
    69.4%
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  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Yes, although for some of them there's something more cynical going on, namely, the complicity of large swathes of boxing media and broadcasters in suspect decision making.
     
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  2. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The benefit of doubt always goes to the champion that's why that phrase is used. There should be no doubt.
     
    Manfred, Apr 15, 2019
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Wrong.
     
    IntentionalButt, Apr 15, 2019
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  4. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Textbook example, blanket assertion, no justification offered.
     
    Holler, Apr 15, 2019
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  5. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    This is a simply absurd argument, and we are falling into the seven circles of hell within which the 10 point must thread resides.
    But here goes: Judges score fights not titles. It's really that simple and clear cut.

    Yes, the scoring system is very subjective but it's end goal is crystal clear... to find the winner of a fight not the owner of the belt.

    Now let's look at how judges are expected to score. Do they wait until the end of the fight, consider it close and then factor-in the bias towards the belt holder? No. They score round-by-round. You seriously think after each round they assess how they thought it went and then apply a bias to the title holder each time it's close?

    Judges simply do not apply this mythical advantage to champions after each round. Bearing in mind the judge's score is the total of points awarded on a round-by-round basis and only added up at the end of the bout, they actually can't apply one at all. They have no opportunity to.

    The phrase is BS....
     
    DoubleJab666, Apr 15, 2019
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  6. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Nonsense! The rules are set! Judge the fight like any other.
     
    Braindamage, Apr 15, 2019
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    ive made that argument before. the champ has already proven he deserves the title by having "taken" it, from the previous champ. he deserves the even rds, the rds you have trouble picking a winner. after all, he has already proven he belongs here, while the challenger may just be benefiting from a perfect situation in this particular fight, to make some rds closely competitive.
    im not saying give the champ rds, you feel the challenger rightfully won, but the rds that are 50/50 should go to the champ.
     
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  8. Ilesey

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    No.

    It a terrible boxing adage with little merit.
     
    Ilesey, Apr 15, 2019
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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Boxing scoring is sort of stupid. A feel out first round can carry as much weight as a dominant 12th round.
     
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  10. Welterschmelter

    Welterschmelter New Member Full Member

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    Anyone who voted "No" needs his ***** revoked.
     
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  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutel rubbish, it doesn't matter if the challenger scrapes it if he wins he wins.
     
    Wass1985, Apr 15, 2019
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  12. Manfred

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    What justification are you offering that it shouldn't be that way.
     
    Manfred, Apr 15, 2019
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  13. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You right, the benefit of doubt doesn't always go to the champion but it should.
     
    Manfred, Apr 15, 2019
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Other way around.
     
    IntentionalButt, Apr 15, 2019
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  15. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wrong.
     
    Manfred, Apr 15, 2019
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