Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

Koki Kameda

 

Ya knew that was coming...

 

pac will get that recognition after we all die and our kids are the ones populating ESB ang talking about who is the greatest asian fighter of all time.

 

That's the fourth round and I scored 10-8 for Harada. But in the fifth Jofre came back stronger and stunned Harada for more than once with right hands and left-hooks. Where was Harada's effective jab ?

 

You are showing a real inability to be honest. The video is in front of you and still you ask where his jab is.

He is clearly jabbing the **** out of Jofre in the first 30 seconds of the video, and only changes his strategy when he has him in trouble.

 

Like I said before, Harada did well in the early rounds (including the fourth). But in and after the fifth, Harada was stunned by right hands and left hooks several times. To say his jab was established, he should have done that more than a round. He controled THE FIGHT with his jab only after the eleventh.

 

Manny Pacman brother is the best ever

 

Amitha Batchan


or Shah Ru Khan????

 

Pacman and it shouldnt even be a discussion. Harada was good but Pacman is about to win a Title in Lightweight.

So from Flyweight to Lightweight it has never been done. Nor will it again i feel. Plus Yes Harada had wins over Jofre twice but they were really close both of them.
Pacman blew away Morales and Barrera and in his two close fights he knocked JMM on his as 4 times in 2 fights.

 

In round 7 Jofre did nothign for half the round, and when he did come on in the second half of the round, Harada still went with him, even though he got the worse of it. But in the first half of the round it was ALL Harada.

Round 9 Harada took becuase of his activity and body work. Jofre was landing the odd long clean head shot, but Harada was consistently digging to the body and outworking Jofre.

Round 11 is a round that could conceivably go to Jofre, but it contains nothing of your description. Harada wasn't near stunned let alone Ko'ed and Jofre wasn't stunned either. For the most part it was a battle of the jabs, with no real earth shattering punches landed from either.

 

Is Diaz the best lightweight out there right now? Or even near that? Harada would have beat a David Diaz too. Unfortunately there weren't 4+ belts in every weight class in his day.

As if having two close fights with Jofre is something to be ashamed of. Jofre is a clear level above anyone Pac has fought and is a staple in top 20-30 all time lists. Barrera and Morales are lucky to make a top 100 on any knowledgable fan's list and Marquez isn't even in the discussion.

And let's not forget that Pac lost to Morales and then beat up on a shot version, and despite knocking Marquez down 4 times still their fights were close and more people than not felt he lost them.

Nearly everyone thinks Harada beat Jofre by contrast, and his losses to Kingpetch and Famechon are acknowledged by all as robberies.

 

Pointless arguing mate anyone who knows anything about boxing knows Harad was a far greater fighter than pacman. It might change depending on Pacquiao's future however.

 

I'm sorry but if you don't think there is a comparison between the two then you shouldn't even be in the discussion. Also please don't give Pacquiao credit for things he has yet to accomplish, it's only fair.

Harada has wins over:
-Eder Jofre x2 (near prime, close fights)
-Pone Kingpetch (lost highly disputed decison first time, prime)
-Jose Medal
-Hiroyuki Ebihara
-Bernado Carabello

Aswell as many other quality wins over good fighters. Harada was also the real champion at 112lbs and 118lbs. Many people feel he defeated Famechon to win the title at 126lbs while past his prime.

Pacquiao has wins over:
-Marco Antonio Barrera x2 (1st one close to prime, 2nd one past prime)
-Erik Morales x2 (lost first fight, past prime)
-Juan Manuel Marquez (2 highly disputed decisions, many feel he lost both times)
-Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
-Catchai Sasakul

Aswell as many other quality wins over good fighters. Pacquiao was champion at 112, 126 and 130 (I removed 122 because he wasn't really 'the man').

Harada's win over Jofre trumps anything Pacquiao has accomplished as Jofre was better fighter then either Barerra, Morales or Marquez. Although the Jofre fights were close, most people agree that Harada deserved the decisions.

Harada's win over Kingpetch is better then Pacquiao's wins over Morales. He beat him in more convining fashion and Kingpetch was in his prime. Morales on the other hand was well passed his. Both Pacquaio and Harada lost the first fight against their opponent, however Harada's loss is disputed while Pac's is not.

The wins over Marquez are highly disputed and most objective viewers felt he lost atleast 1 of them (I personally feel he lost the first 113-112 and the second 114-113). Marquez is a very good fighter, however he is no ATG and Pacquiao should be given limited credit for these wins. Harada's dominant win over a very good fighter in Jose Medal is superior considering the circumstances.

Harada's wins over Ebihara and Carabello are comparable to Pacquiao's other top wins. I feel these cancel eachother out, maybe slighth edge to Pacquiao for his great performance against Ledwaba.

Both fighters started at 112lb's and moved up to win titles at higher weight classes. However Harada was in an era with less weightclasses, aswell as generally 1 champion per division. harada never had the luxury of 4 champions to fight, he had to face the man in every divison he fought in. I give Pacquiao credit for winning titles in more division, unfortunately for Harada he never had the body shape to do so.

Despite being well past his prime Harada gave hell to a peak Famechon, leading many observers feeling he deserved to win the belt. Infact many consider this a robbery. Despite not getting the decision Harada should be given alot of credit for such a great performance well above his best weightclass.

Body size should also be brought up in this discussion, as Harada was often competing with fighters much bigger than him. While Pacquiao was massive at 112, allowing him to move up in divisons and still compete. I dare say if Harada was 5-6/5-7 with Pac's build he would have been far more succesful.

All in all I give Harada a clear edge, although Pacquiao still has enough time to prove himself as the No.1 Asian fighter. Hopefully this covers eveything, I'm probably missing quite a bit.

 

What is really disconcerting is how many here are willing to proclaim Pac better when they haven't even seen Harada or any of his opponents fight. Just downright sad.

 

You're missing the part about how many champions Harada would have beaten if there were weights in between the main weight classes and 4 strap holders for every weight.

Guys like Dwight Hawkins, Bernardo Caraballo, Antonio Herrera, Alan Rudkin, Katsutoshi Aoki probably all would have been belt holders.


Also his losses to Kingpetch and Famechon aren't merely controversial, they are downright robberies. There's no question he got jobbed. I haven't seen anyone say Kingpetch or Famechon deserved those decisions.