Does it make sense for Ortiz to duck AJ?

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  1. bananarama

    bananarama New Member Full Member

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    I'm trying to play devils advocate a bit here.... I believe Ortiz should have taken the fight at 7m and a chance at the belts. However, why on earth would he not accept the deal?

    Thinking about it would it make sense to duck AJ as a loss would probably result in him retiring/ low level fights. Also, the WBC will probably call an eliminator between him and Whyte. Financially could he get about 3million for this fight which he has more chance of winning? If he did win this then he would have a chance at Wilder for again around the same figure and a more likely chance of winning than against AJ? This could then set him up for the fight against AJ for a figure much bigger than the 7m offered.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. de Morhalle

    de Morhalle Member Full Member

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    Honestly don't care about Ortiz , he refused twice one was 6 mill the next 7 mill , on top of that he would have to pass VADA as MSG fights require VADA tested boxers . Ortiz simply priced himself out you snooze you lose , Ruiz and Hunter stepped up . Ortiz straight up avoiding AJ and Whyte ran away from his WBA mandatory which is why he was bumped off , honestly Ortiz is second only to Miller for being a complete clown this year . Ortiz's fight against Hammer was a mess . Someone off Ortiz's skill and reputation should of KO'd Hammer but he could not rock Hammer . The myth is gone .
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    ....for the moment, makes perfect sense.

    (I don't really care all that much, I just saw an opportunity to post this, and pounced.:D) But yeah, it was probably good idea.
     
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  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Ortiz and his fans are dumb... so it is expected that he would do dumb things, and his fans would also say dumb things.

    Lucky for Ortiz I believe he is getting a straight shot at Wilder with no eliminator needed.
     
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  5. bananarama

    bananarama New Member Full Member

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    Yes I agree and feel it may have had something to do with VADA. Also, if Eddie was aware that Ortiz was happy with the offers made then surely this could have been sorted before Ruiz was announced?
    On the face of it all it does look like a dumb thing to do to turn down the offer, however, if the fights do set up like I explained then he wouldn't be any worse off financially. If Kownacki fights Wilder next this would give time for Ortiz and Whyte to face off (if they were both agreeable to it).
     
  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Haymon could have a stipulations in Ortiz contract.

    his entire team seems clueless except his manager J.Jimmenez who doesn't seem honest and never got good vibes from him at all.

    Ortiz trainer Concedo seems oblivious to everything ranging from Ortiz being Joshuas mando situation last year to filling out simple paper work that got Ortiz nearly suspended by PEDS .

    these guys are idiots and J.Jimenez communications seems to be with Haymon not his own guys that he keeps in the dark to sway away from Joshua ? Lol

    Why? Ortiz is a fight for Wilder to keep him relevant , Ortiz isn't smart guy and if he gets the Wilder fight will be scratching his head about the 8 million he could have got , or his blood pressure sky rocketing if Breazeale knocks out Wilder .
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Possible reasons.

    1 - PED's - He was probably mid cycle.

    2 - Haymon vetoing any deal ensuring Wilder's next opponent is available so they have a decent opponent when Wilder ducks Joshua again which Finkel has confirmed by saying they won't fight Joshua until at least 2020.

    3 - Ortiz doesn't want it. He was never the top super heavy in Cuba as an amateur always 2nd or 3rd string for the most part, he wasted most of his prime fighting nobodies and not stepping up, first time he did he was done for doping vs Kayode, he refused to fight Ustinov twice in a final eliminator which would of made him mandatory, he again refused his mandatory to fight AJ and sought a fight with the easier Wilder. I just don't think he has the self belief in himself, hence why he feels the need to cheat and use PED's.
     
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  8. Gymbot

    Gymbot Active Member Full Member

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    No it doesn't. That's what makes it suspicious.
     
  9. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    Only legit reason I see for Ortiz to turn down the AJ is because it's on such short notice..

    Of course, in boxing, that's how your opportunities come sometimes, and you gotta just take them.when they come
     
  10. de Morhalle

    de Morhalle Member Full Member

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    Whyte is about to be ruled the mandatory by the WBC .
    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/box...date-given-president-Oscar-Rivas-announcement
     
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  11. de Morhalle

    de Morhalle Member Full Member

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    Ortiz is old news . He had chances to face Whyte and he priced himself out of those too . I get it , Ortiz's career has been frustrating and annoying . He never seized the day . Whyte V Rivas is a far better fight honestly and I think Ortiz would struggle against Kingpin Johnson right now . Ortiz done nothing since Wilder . His Hammer fight confirmed my suspicions about him . Honestly the way things are going Ortiz isn't even top 10 anymore for me . Going over to PBC has ruined him .
     
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  12. bananarama

    bananarama New Member Full Member

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    I really hope so!! I've been waiting on this news ever since they were supposed to give us an update over a month ago.
    I think/ hope Whyte beats Wilder so it shakes up the division a bit as Wilder is happy to keep ducking any potential threats if possible.
     
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  13. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'll be shocked if that happens, notice how he worded it. Whyte has to confirm he'll accept the ruling of a vote, if he says yes, they vote no he isn't mandatory and then he's basically screwed but he's agreed to it and so legally has no recourse other than to accept it.

    In reality he should say he will wait for the outcome of the vote and then if it's favourable say if he will agree to it's ruling, by committing himself before the outcome he's setting himself up to be side lined again and Kownacki to get the next mandatory shot, I mean how messed up would that be, Whyte beats Helenius doesn't become mandatory, Kownacki beats Helenius and becomes mandatory.

    Nobody in the WBC top 10 deserves a shot more than Whyte but WBC for months now have been stringing him along.
     
  14. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They all refuse to take AJ fight cause theres not enough time to flush PEDs out of the system.
     
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  15. anjawnaymiz

    anjawnaymiz Can we get Ivan Dychko some momentum Full Member

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    I’d like to see Ortiz vs povetkin now