A middleweight title fight between Canelo Alvarez and Sergiy Derevyanchenko ordered by the IBF!

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Semantics. The only possible date for D-Chenko was filled by Vanes. We're talking about HBO being on its last legs.
     
  2. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's just beat Jacobs.
     
  3. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Don't matter it's still a duck
     
  4. Trafford

    Trafford Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any fighter who has had over 6 or 7 fights on PPV would have had in excess of £100m invested. PPV revenue is the exact same thing just not upfront. Pacquiao, Floyd, ODLH and Tyson all had millions of buys and generated millions of revenue for networks. 3 of those guys lost. Pac for instance had 19m PPV buys and likely generated close to $500m for networks in the share of revenue. He lost plenty of fights
     
  5. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How exactly is that semantics? GGG lost the IBF belt for choosing to fight Canelo over Derevy, not Vanes.
     
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  6. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's ridiculous,I've said my fair share about Canelo in the past but he's not the ducking type and I'll repeat he's just beat the guy who beat the guy.
    I like the fight but there are other options for him out there.
     
  7. IsaL

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    You truly lack self awareness
     
  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Wrong.

    He lost his belt for refusing to commit to fight SD.

    When Canelo was suspended he was under no obligation to fight in May.

    Golovkin chose to fight on May 5th. He chose to fight Vanes Martirosyan. He chose to not take a riskier fight with Derevyenchenko.

    Using his future bout against Canelo is just an excuse by GGG apologists.
     
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  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Straight facts
     
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  10. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Golovkin had the option to fight Derevyenchenko and fulfill his IBF mandatory before facing Canelo in the rematch.

    Instead he opted to fight Vanes, instead of fighting SD. He was not under any obligation to fight on Cinco de Mayo weekend either.
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was GGG choosing to fight Vanes that prompted the IBF to enforce the mandatory. To make that fight with Vanes he had to request a voluntary defense of the IBF. It was that action that prompted the IBF to demand he fight Derevyanchenko next. If GGG had waited until September to fight Canelo I don't think the IBF would have had any grounds to enforce the mandatory. They would have allowed the GGG vs Canelo rematch to occur as planned then the winner would have had Derevyanchenko in waiting as the mandatory. This action changed the order of matches, and possibly history because had GGG waited and fought Canelo for the IBF, Canelo would have likely fought an undefeated Derevyanchenko by now. Either in December instead of Fielding or in May. Derevyanchenko Jacobs may have never happened because there wouldn't have been a need for a vacant title match.

    So I think Canelo vs Derevyanchenko is a match that should take precedence. I do think the IBF is heavily influenced by Lou Dibella. Dibella it seems is just very persistent in pushing the IBF to enforce his fighter as the mandatory, he's trying to get Derevyanchenko the biggest fights possible. And his loss to Jacobs wasn't exactly decisive. Now it seems that we are on the path to getting the match that would have likely happened if GGG Canelo wasn't rescheduled and if GGG didn't vacate.

    I do think the whole "if [fighter] vacates it's a duck" is a little played out by now. I mean I personally want to see Canelo vs Derevyanchenko next, but if it doesn't happen to just label it a duck I don't know. I don't think Canelo should have to face Derevyanchenko right away, since he just won the title, but that's what you get when you hold an IBF title immediately getting assigned a mandatory. And I doubt Canelo will back down from this challenge. You could have Canelo vs Derevyanchenko in September, and if GGG wins his tune-up fight then fight Andrade later this year. Then the winners could meet for all the titles in December or next May.
     
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  12. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You ever wonder why you are the only person in the world stuck on this fight not having to happen on the May 5th date?
     
  13. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think this is one of the reasons the big players in boxing usually don't hold the IBF title. They make their champions face their mandatories and pretty quickly at that. Every time a fighter with a lot of political backing grabs the IBF I expect to see them drop the belt in the near future for one reason or another. Is Canelo really going to give Derevy 35% of the purse? Really?
     
  14. kirk

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    Not really all that interested in this fight.

    Middleweight seems to be cooling down now a bit.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You make a good point and it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Canelo may well be keen to fight Derevyanchenko in September, but it's unclear if they will be able to strike a deal before it goes to purse bids. Another factor to consider though in terms of negotiations is that it's much different now that they are no longer doing HBO PPVs and are on DAZN. Canelo has a long term deal with DAZN unlike it being fight-to-fight with HBO, and with negotiations needed to determine PPV splits. With DAZN I'm not sure splits are negotiated the same way so maybe all parties can come to an agreement in the near future. The IBF may work with both sides if both sides intend on making the fight happen next.