Wilder may be the most devastating HW puncher ever...certainly comparable to Tyson or Dempsey

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Apparently Donkey has knocked down everyone he's fought

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    Hmm.. I seem to recall him hitting Duhaupas with everything but the kitchen sink for 11 rounds or almost 11 full rounds and not coming close to dropping him

    This Duhaupas who got dropped hard here by a blown up CW who is 1-11 in his last 12 fights, was 1-6 in his last 7 when he fought Duhaupas the lone win a MD against a 3-5-1 scrub, and who sports a KO 25%

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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well he did kill 3 people with it. That is why I've put him there, and he faced better people than Wilder
    Wilder doesn't structure his punches properly, so he loses power. Louis has KOed iron chinned opponents like Baer, primo and Galentino. He also brutally KOed Schemling. My list is for punchers of the division, clearly has freak power but until he KOs an actual elite HW I'm not putting him in
     
  3. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Breazeale not getting up after taking a 7 round beating shows Joshua is a better puncher than Wilder?.... Who laid out Dominic in the first and got to his feet but didn't know where he was?

    Joshua usually lays boxers out after he has hurt them with numerous shots. Wilder ko's people at the blink of an eye.

    Look at the reactions of the fighters when they are out. Joshua's guys look beat up and move around in pain wincing. A lot of Wilder's guys don't even move.

    Joshua is the more complete package than Wilder but he does not have a single individual shot that is better than Deontays right.
     
  4. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No doubting Louis's punching however an old sparring partner said 4 correct punches from Joe was like one solid dig from Marciano.
     
  5. kirk

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    It would seem that way but its really impossible to tell with such a horrible resume.

    It takes good fighters with good chins to truly authenticate traits in the ring. And for me... besides Ortiz, Wilder hasnt really cracked worthy enough chins for me to crown him the hardest puncher ever.
     
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  6. kirk

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    Just as food for thought... David Haye said that Wilder hit him harder in sparring, with larger gloves, than Wlad hit him in their fight, and that Wilder was the most powerful person hes ever been in with.
     
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  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Lol! Yeah, you don't disappoint. You live down to everything I accuse you of without even a hint of embarrassment or self awareness. "Fighter x is bad because I say so". Get out of here kid, come back when you can actually respond to my points in any type of meaningful way.

    The one thing you said that tried to be substantive that I'll respond to is saying that the human body doesn't evolve quickly so there is no progress. Only an absolute moron like you would think human evolution was in play for sports progress. There are a myriad of reasons for sports progress, human evolution is of course not one of them due to the time frame we are talking about. Actually relevant factors: talent pool from population increase, increased worldwide talent penetration, training, science etc etc. There are TED talks that address this, but I'm sure you know better than any silly scientist or intellectual. Ultimately, the facts speak for themselves. Are fighters taller and heavier than they were before? Yes, inarguably. You appear to try to deny it, but a simple check of Ring top 10 HW history shows a steady and inexorable progression. In your world, that is some kind of bizarre and meaningless coincidence. In the real world, that is reflective of the same kind of talent increase that has led to records being shattered in all tangibly trackable sports.

    Anyway, I know all this is a million miles beyond your pay grade, so how about you just ignore all this and accuse me of loving Wilder, which has been your only real attack to this point.
     
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  8. Glass City Cobra

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    -So you still haven't explained how ruddock has power comparable to wilder

    -you still havent explained how tua, Ruddock, or shavers were more "competent" despite never winning a championship and losing their biggest fights.

    -you still havent listed 10 fighters who you think hit harder than wilder

    -still havent shown me the post where i said what you claim I said.

    Why are you wasting my time? Last chance or ill just ignore you.
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Your the one who brought up arreola idiot!

    The fact wilder dropped and stopped arreola with a broken arm faster than Vitali who pounded away for 10 rounds and never had him in trouble says a lot when comparing wilder and Vitalis power.

    Go and casually get yourself banned like you always do. Why are you even here lol, no one likes you or agrees with you. Get a job and stop making duplicate accounts to feel better by insulting people.
     
  10. Glass City Cobra

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    Thats fair. So if the standard is that he has to ko elite or durable opponents, you'll give him credit if he KOs Joshua/fury/etc?

    Uh primo carnera did not have an iron chin. What makes you think that?
     
  11. George Crowcroft

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    One hundred percent. If he KOes Whyte, Fury, Joshua and maybe Parker then he most definitely makes the top 5

    Carnera was huge, that was pretty much my basis on that
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

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    Exactly, yet for some reason people keep repeating the lie that haye embarrasrd wildet and didnt think much of him. Wladmir praised Wilder's power and ability too.
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

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    Carnera was kod 5x, some of them by men who werent exactly known for having huge power. He definitely didnt have a granite chin.

    Frank Bruno, Gerry Cooney, and David Price are huge and they have several brutal stoppage losses as well.
     
  14. Cafe

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    I wouldn't say he's the hardest because he never really fought any iron chinned guys, the jury's still out on that one andI don't think he'll ever be able to stake that claim. But I'd certainly say he's one of the hardest punchers, you just don't do what he does without having freakish power.
     
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  15. Zakman

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    Exactly. You HAVE to factor in quality of opposition when judging punching power.

    And Wilder's overall quality of competition is among the worst in history among HW titlists. I've been following boxing for 35 years, and have never seen anybody fight worse stiffs, for longer, than this guy.