as a dane im dissapointed..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by gigogreco, Jun 23, 2008.


  1. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    We will see more of Sartison in the future at top level in SMW. Have no doubt.
     
  2. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Not what I was refering too. Check time stamps. I just saw that question and answered it. Sorta. :D
     
  3. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I agree with the guys that want to see Sartison again. He showed a lot of heart and kept believing that he had the punch to turn it around until maybe round 8 or so. After that he did his best to accomplish what his team described as a little victory - to stay on his feet against Kessler.
     
  4. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    Nah, **** post.

    Mundine might not be the best boxer but he is fast, defensive and somewhat slick, tricky guy to box. Kessler handled him easily.

    Calzaghe.....he lost but put up a good showing. No shame in losing to Joe. I doubt there is anyone more slick and unorthodox than Calzaghe.

    Sartison was unorthodox and for that matter even Andrade is very unorthodox. Both guys throw punches off balance and on wierd angles. Neither really tested Kessler.

    Far as I can tell Kessler has faced more variety of styles at a decent level than most. I like Bute, i've recently been watching his fights and hes a good boxer. But I can't see him beating even the most recent version of Kessler.

    Kessler is very consistant in his gameplan, and to throw him off you need to do what Calzaghe did, keep up your workrate, keep moving, throw a variety of shots....sure bute can do those things but I don't think he could do those things whilst not getting hit with MK's punches. Even Calzaghe caught some hard shots, so Bute would also need a good chin. Can't see it happening.

    Not yet anyway.
     
  5. SPK

    SPK New Member Full Member

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    Big Kessler fan here. I didn't see the fight, only the few clips on youtube, but from that you can see he is trying to add more punches to his repetoire. Way more body work, hooks and uppercuts.
     
  6. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have seen many of Mikkel's fights and I did not see anything new from Kessler last night. Despite what some people who has only seen one or two fights with Kessler may think he has always had a very complete punch reprtoire and has always had very good hand and foot speed.

    The only two differences I saw where these:

    One: He seemed to have a lot of energy and was never gasping for air. Now, he has always had really good stamina and always been a strong finisher in 12 round fight, but I think this was more than we have seen before. Something that many athletes report as an experience of being abroad is that all the different impressions makes it hard to relax and you tend to tense up more and in the process use a lot of energy. Kessler probably felt like he was wearing sand-shoes in the last half of the Calzaghe fight. Maybe that is the reason for the even more improved stamina.

    Two: He seemed slower than usual. The only time I have seen him this slow was against Beyer. I remember that when I pointed that out after the Beyer figth someone in here claimed that it was done intentionally because he thought he needed more power and less speed for Beyer. Maybe they trained for Sartison like they did for Beyer? Who knows? But personally I prefer the agile and fast version of Kessler.
     
  7. Melbourneborn

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    Fighters have a mindset - it is generally reflective of the persons nature to an extent. Some fighters do not like to really force the pace. Some fighters do not like to really poor the pressure on.. and are content to win rounds. Its seen as a lack of killer instinct but is in reality just the nature of the indivdual fighter and unlikely to change.

    Mikkel Kessler is an example of such a fighter.
     
  8. gigogreco

    gigogreco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i couldnt give a rats ass whether you think my post stinks..

    kessler looked slow.. poor defence, lacked precision with his straight right..

    too predictable and his jab kept hanging by his hips after throwing, this was also the reason he was nearly knocked down, and that scenario continued. he was hit way to often by that overhand right, by a man much smaller. that indicates either sloppy footwork, poor guard or both.

    did you see me ask for a 3 round ko, i asked for mikkel to assert himself, which could be quite usefull, demand respect, cause certainly while sartison still had energi, he did not respect kesslers jab.

    what was it you found so good.. sartison gassed out before the fight started.. why was it kesslers corner, said he is ready to get ko´ed mikkel in the 6 round.. abd still it took 6 rounds before he really jumpen in there and took him out.. i want mikkel to be more agressive and and do what he did in 12 round more often..

    perhaps you should read my 1 post again, i stated mikkel did okay, but that just isnt good enough against that caliber of opponent..
     
  9. shavers

    shavers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good post I have wondering about the same thing...Mikkel is only 29 He cant be losing speed already?
     
  10. majorer

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    It is good enough against Sartison. And perhaps Bute.

    But not against Pavlik or Taylor.
     
  11. majorer

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    No. The reason must be found in his training.
     
  12. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is actually one other thing that I haven't known what was until now. I think Kessler's trademark (although not much talked about) is his millimeter precise eye and head movements. These are extremely subtle but has throughout his career allowed him to counter extremely well. For one example look at the KO of Beyer. Beyer throws a punch and Kessler moves his head 4 millimeters and counters immidiately.

    Yesterday he seemed to move his head too much at times and not at other times and it just didnt seem as convincing as previously. Perhaps Montoya has bought into some hype that Kessler doesn;t move his head and has been trying to make him really move his head so that it can be clearly ovserved. However, this extra and unnecessary headmovement yesterday seem to have resulted in Kessler losing some of the edge his excellent eye and timing usually has given him.

    This should be something to worry about for the Kessler camp.
     
  13. majorer

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    Up till this point in time the Montoya influence has done more harm than good.

    Mikkels stamina has improved, and I think, as a result of the type of endurance training he did in California.

    Thats good.

    And that is there Montoyas influence should stop.

    Dont try to fix something that is not broke. MIkkel did ok up to the Calzaghe fight. Yes his corner was non existent in the Calzaghe fight.

    To the Kessler team I can say : Keep the new endurance stamina program.
    With regard to the boxing skills: If you absolutely think that somethings has to change, at least dont try to many things at one time.

    IT IS IN FACT AND REALITY NOT WORKING. GO BACK TO WHAT YOU KNOW IS WORKING JUST FINE.
     
  14. henrik

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    i think kessler fought sartison the right way,using he´s FAST jab,very,very often.And when he saw an opening in sartisons defence,he threw combinations,bodypunches,uppercuts...
    BUT sartison is a DANGEROUS opponent,with KO power...i think thats why kessler did´nt went to WAR.
    he controlled the speed,and the ring.and as long he was able to do that,and was able to punish sartison,the way he was.
    then there was NO NEED to change anything.IMO.

    i think kessler fought a smart fight,with respect for sartisons power.
    and broke him down round for round...
    sartison is a great fighter,he took an awfull beating,but he kept comming!!!!

    we will here a lot more about sartison in the future i think.
     
  15. majorer

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    True Sartison was good. Good power.