Max Baer vs. Jim Corbett

You might want to check Sullivan’s age. I come out with 33.

As I said Corbett has 5 wins over hall of fame opponents. He also drew with a top notch Jackson.

Corbett also had good performances with Jeffries and Fitz who are viewed as better than Max Baer. They caught him late and each man’s will to win towers above the apathetic Baer’s

Baer was a lousy boxer. No jab, but good with illegal back hands. Poor defense. Corbett would land as he pleased and kept the range he wanted to.

Max Baer dropped too many decisions to beat someone as good as Corbett was and some of those losses are to fighters of a similar size of Corbett.

Like I said before I had Corbett at 59-0-3 before his first official loss vs Fitzsimmons.

Box rec has limited info on Corbett. It is estimated that box rex only has 10 percent of the total boxing matches and the further you go back the less data they have

 

Sullivan trained for that fight and for al we know had more Skill than Max Baer. He won 0 rounds.

Mitchell was not past his prime, he was 32 year old and was blown away. Prior to Corbett Mitchel had not lost a fight in nearly 10 years.

I will post Corbetts 59-0-3 record soon. It's on another server of mine, but I suspect many of the names will be lost to you you since they do not appear at Box rec.

You see to have a he's too old or small, but won't apply the same for Baer's losses. Not an even way to view things. More on who Baer lost to later with a spoiler, these men were not as good as Corbett. When Corbett lost it was only to an ATG,

 

Rainer,

Here's Corbett's unofficial record. Most of the old timer's CBZ profiles are done by Mr. Tracy Callis, who qualifies as one of the best living historians, and is even a better gentleman. Sadly personal loss ( loss of two children ) took him away from researching , and he never built upon his research profiles at the CBZ, which last I heard is for sale and defund of posters.

Many of the records of the old timers are incomplete. This is especially true of fighters who fought in the 1800's.

Below is a list of three combined reported sources for Corbett's ring record. Based on the combined lists Corbett had 64 fights! A bit more than box rec!

Take note, Corbett was 59-0-3 at one point before losing to Bob Fitzsimmons! Only a true boxing master could achieve such a record.

** the 59-0-3 record assumes the W vs Peter Jackson as listed is really a draw. Otherwise its 60-0-2** Be sure to read the key at the bottom of the page.

Many W's are really Ko wins for Corbett.

First a sample of what Corbett's defense looked like. He was kid quick, with excellent defensive reflexes and mobility. You can see him well past his prime sparring with Kid McCoy, The quickness and fiend are impressive and Corbett must have been 50 for that clip.

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Appendix 1
FOR THE RECORD: The following is the complete list of bouts for James J. Corbett and Charles Mitchell according to the Ocala (Fla.) Evening Star of Feb. 2, 1894. Additional results from the Ring Record Book and Boxing's Top 100 haw been included on this list. In some cases dates, first names and other information is not available.

JAMES J. CORBETT:
San Francisco, Daw Eiseman, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Jim Hare, four rounds, W
San Francisco, Ed Siossen, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Jim McCarty, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Joe Chosinski, one round, W, (a)
San Francisco, Bob McCord, one round, W
San Francisco, Billy Welch, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, George Maxwell, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Tom Pollard, four rounds, W
San Francisco , John Dwyer, one round, W
San Francisco, Ed Rose, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, L.R. Fulda, four rounds, W
San Francisco, Jack Burke, eight rounds, draw, (8-27-88 )
San Francisco, Mike Brennan, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, Con Riordan, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Captain James H. Daley (also Daily), 4 rounds, W
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, four rounds, W, (5-30-89) (a)
Salt Lake City, Frank Smith, sewn rounds, W
Salt Lake City, Duncan McDonald, eight rounds, W , (b)
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, three rounds (some sources say four), W, (7-15-89) San Francisco, Martin Costello, four rounds, W
San Francisco, George Atkinson, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Prof. William Miller, six rounds, W
San Francisco, Larry SUlliwn, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Frank Glowr, four rounds, W, (6-30-88 (c)
San Francisco, John Donaldson, eight rounds, W
Portland, Ore., Daw Campbell, 10 rounds, W, (7-29-89) (d)
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, 27 rounds, W, (6-5-89) (a)
New Orleans, Jake Kilrain, six rounds, W, (2-18-90)
Brooklyn, Dominic McCaffery, four rounds, W, (4-14-90)
San Francisco, Peter Jackson, 61 rounds, W, (5-2-91) (e)
Milwaukee, Ed Kinney, four rounds, W, (10-8-91)
Philadelphia, Matt Donovan, one round, W, (3-20-89) (f)
New Jersey, Peter Courtney, six rounds, W, (9-7-94)
Philadelphia, John McVey, three rounds, W, (1-4-95) (g)
Philadelphia, Bubbles Davis, three rounds, W
Philadelphia, Bob Caffrey, four rounds, W
Philadelphia, Sailor Brown, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Jack Brady, three rounds, W
Philadelphia, Mike Moneghan, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Joe Godfrey, three rounds, W


Philadelphia, Jack Haughey, one rounds, W
Philadelphia, Jack Langdon, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Denny Kelleher, four rounds, W
Philadelphia, Joe Wilson, three rounds, W
Madison Square Garden, William Speflings, one round, W, (h) Madison Square Garden, Bob Goffey, one round, W
Madison Square Garden, Joe Lannon, th.-ee rounds, W, (i) Hartford, John McMahan, two rounds, W
Albany, Jack McDonald, one rounds, W
Columbus, Jim Hughes, two rounds, W
Butte, Mont. , Jack Grace, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Mike Olson, one round, W
Tucson, Mike Sullivan, two rounds, W
EI Paso , Jack Donnelly, two rounds, W
New Orleans, John L. Sullivan, 21 rounds, W, (9-7-92) Jacksonville, Charlie Mitchell, three rounds, W, (1-25-94)
New Orleans, John McVey, three rounds, W, (1-4-95)
San Francisco, Tom Sharkey, four rounds, draw (6-24-96) (j) Carson City, Nev., Bob Fitzsimmons, 14 rounds, L, (3-17-97)
New York, Tom Sharkey, 9 rounds, L (foul), (11-22-98
Coney Island, Jim Jeffries, 23 rounds, L, (5-11-1900)
New York, Kid McCoy, five rounds, W, (8-30-1900)
San Francisco, Jim Jeffries, 10 rounds, L, (8-14-03)

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Counter points to consider.

Bear had 22 fights under his belt before losing to Kennedy. That's hardly green. And he was 21, not 20 as you claim.

Loughran ( A smaller Corbett ) Risko and Schaff were decent fighters, a reason why Baer lost and not one of them was in Corbett's class according to the historians of the time. Who are you and I to say they were all wrong?

Schaff was just 22, by your standards green when he beat Baer. And like I said Max had a lot of fights under his belt before this match.

Looks like lots of solid contender types won decisions vs Baer, and many contenders he beat went the distance. Explain why this is so? Daivd Tua as limited as he seemed to KO a better class as he landed his best more often...excpet when he fought good boxers.

Uzcudun was on the slide when he beat Baer.

I could go on with the rest of his opponents, but I think you get the point.

As for Jeffries, when asked who he felt would win between Baer and Carnera, he just said boy I wish those two were around in my day. Jack Johnson was asked the same question and could not stop laughing. Don't assume by posting a photo that the guy next to him had a high opinion of him. Not the case here.

PS: I see you are a new poster. You remind me a bit of a guy who was banned a while ago and was last seen April 30th 2019. I see you registered May 2nd and have been very busy since. Hmmmmm, my suggestion is try to be more translucent!

 

I think we have an idea of who Rainer is . At any rate Corbett was old for the 2nd fight with Jeffries, but fit and performed very well in the first fight at age 33. Corbett's cornerman said it was his bet performance, so there you have it.

 

Bear was often on his C or B game. Seldom on his A game.