School me why Jung Koo Chang should be considered among the best ever at his weight class.

Should just start a complete forum on this guy. Chang, Marciano, Carnera,Baer. Duran-Leonard. I think every 3 of 5 post involve one of these guys. Oh Dempsey. Wills. Greb.

 

This is crazy talk....akin to saying so and so would force Pac, Armstrong, Duran, Harada to fight...no one ever forced Chang to fight, rather they would try to find a way to slow him down...

I will try and respond later, but really imagine it will be futile. You have been called on your lack of knowledge of Chang....once again in other negative threads (started by you of course) where you espouse this same faulty line of reasoning. Due, in part to your own admittance of having watched very little of Chang....and none in his prime choosing rather to watch and focus on his post prime post first retirement fights.

I am not sure why you feel a need to tarnish fighters painting guys like scared cherry pickers ala your Tyson thread.

Not sure I hear you say much favorably about guys not named Klitschko or Golovkin etc.

Anyway, I am not the most knowledgeable here on the lighter weights but have spent most of the past year, so if no one chimes in I will.

 

It really is a shame...I don’t think he gets quite as much attention as journey men HW’s but among lighter weight guys he gets more than his fair share. In my defense I have only started 2 (I think?), and didn’t start this one.

I like watching him fight, but am not a fan persay! But I don’t understand the need to bash a guy you (not meaning you) arenot really interested in and watch very very little of.

There are some other great jr fly, fly and super flys and/or Asian greats that deserve some more attention

 

It seems you have asked and had these questions answered multiple times, but you don’t seem to like the answers although just about everyone else seems to understand.

I may still answer but it seems you have been answered quite a few times and just don’t (or won’t) get it.

 

It's not like there was, or has ever been, an abundance of American or European contenders in that weight class.

 

Philly has mostly said what I wanted to say. Why keep banging on negatively about a fighter you irrationally dislike using faulty minded logic and weird distorted reasoning on top of a bit of good ol' boxrecing? Especially when your knowledge of the era is demonstrably lacking and has been exposed in the past already re the above pasted stuff from Philly.

Chang was a teenage phenom who burned out early in the mould of Harada, Benitez, McGovern etc. Ridiculously gifted and fighting world class fighters from a very young age while thoroughly lacking in dedication. He'd been sliding before his first retirement and physically declining, as shown by lacklustre efforts against good fighters he'd beaten before with ease. Ohashi, Torres etc. Money trouble forced him back after the long layoff and he was largely a shadow of himself. Nothing to do with stepping up in competition lmfao. Even then he deserved the decision against Chitalada in the rematch, arguably the best fighter he faced (along with Zapata) and who he'd already beaten conclusively (along with Zapata) albeit in a good competitive fight when Chitalada had just turned pro, though he was already more or less the finished article like most top class Muay Thai guys.

Chang had looked underprepared, weak and drained against Gonzalez from boiling down to light-fly. Once he jumped to fly he looked more solid and was somewhat rejuvenated although still only a shadow of his old self. If he'd gotten through the last round against Kittikasem he'd have won on points too, but the Thai's wet bags of cement for fists finally got through in the nick of time to bail him out.

Chang defended his title 15 times(?) or so (I forget and cant be arsed to boxerec mid-post). In his first career he was essentially unbeaten Imo; the loss to Zapata was highly debateable, and Chang was carrying a foot injury. He trounced Zapata, who was an incredible eccentric talent, in the rematch and went on to dominate the light fly class up until his first retirement despite having the odd flat performance, mostly in rematches against fighters he'd already defeated with ease as I already said.

He was just a phenomenally gifted natural fighter in the mould of the young Duran before Brown and Arcel did their bit.

I'm sure Mendoza will have a response to all this; he usually does and can't be argued/reasoned with concerning fighters he either loves or hates. Christ, how many hours have people wasted on here going back and forth over Johnson, the K brothers, Golovkin, Kovalev, Lomachenko etc. Its a broken pissing record.

 

Obviously he never faced Yuh due to them being on rival Korean networks who wouldn't match them up despite their status as the two outstanding guys of the day. Yuh said himself that he didn't think he would have beaten Chang and I'm inclined to believe him. Refreshing honesty actually and acknowledgement of a fellow pro's great ability

 

Fought novices?

He beat Alfonso Lopez in his 15th bout, in his first pro year.

Please actually watch and research Chang. Seems like you don't understand his opposition, or don't want to understand.

 

@Flea Man

 

I think the only way to understand and decide for yourself is to watch some of his fights and then make your own judgement call. If you were asking for recommendations of his best performances, the guys who've already been mentioned can steer you in the right direction. If you want to engage in a debate around Chang's merits, youtube is only a click away to arm yourself with enough first hand evidence.

 

‘his resume doesn’t read that way’

‘I’m far for an expert on the 108 and 105 division’

You just played yourself. Stop posting.