School me why Jung Koo Chang should be considered among the best ever at his weight class.

All 3? Fanboy stuff, I find your cards can be out there sometimes. Weren't; you the guy who felt Wilder deserved a draw vs Fury>

This board can be an odd place. Some complain there are too many heavyweight threads and not enough focus on the lower weights.

So I start a thread asking to school me on why Chang was so great, then the same people asking for these threads get upset.

A strange double standard as there are many threads on this heavyweight is overrated/underrated and few seem to care if that thread has been repeated before.

If you can't answer my basic questions ( to the board ) , resort to excuses, and say Chang was so great just because he beat some guy most of us never saw in his home county while losing to the best he fought in his home country, one of my questions is answered. He's 1-3 vs. the best opponents he fought. To my knowledge, only one of his opponents is in the hall of fame and he lost that one.

If you disagree that he picked at least 4 men who were not qualified ( judging by their record of few fights with losses mixed in ) for a title defenses, I guess that answers if he cherry picked 4 title opponents.

Another open question, it seems Chang was too quick to be out pointed by the light to medium level hitters he faced but tended to lose to the better punchers as he was an action-oriented type of guy who liked to throw punches but was not a power hitter himself. Is this accurate?

The Long Duck Dong thing was a joke. I guess most missed it. He wasn't a boxer at all; he was a character in the movie 16 Candles which came out in the mid-1980s. Long Duck Dong took a lot of punishment in the film while entertaining at the same time. He was accidentally mixed up in a fight with Jake Ryan, the primary love interest with the main character. The Donger was drunk and thought Ryan was his new girlfriend.

 

I would not call Zapata wonderful. He was a good contender, who was Ko'd before he re-matched Chang, by Chang, and in the next fight after that. IMO, Zapata is arguably the best fighter Chang beat.

I think power puncher with skill like Gonzlaez would beat Change at his best. He it too hard. IMO, Carbajal who had great wars with Gonzalez would have beaten him Chang too. I watched those guys closely.

Chang fought almost all of his fights in Korea. The judging in Asian nations offers home cooking, and has had its share of problems. He fought just once in Japan vs an 8-2 fighter in a title fight. That guy did not deserve a title fight, agreed? Also, Chang gave title shots to a 5-1 fighter and a 4-0 fighter. A bit of a joke. Neither was proven at that stage.

I do agree if he fought in the USA or UK, he'd be better known here, but to do that would be giving up his home court advantage.

The board, who has a lot of Chang fans seem to think he's better than others who beat better fighters that he did, and like I said fair or not is 1-3 vs. the best men he met.

 

Okay Mr. Expert, care to answer these questions. No spin please.

1 ) His ring record shows he lost to the best fighters he fought in Kittikasem, Gonzalez, and Zapata ( Though he avenged the Zapata loss ). So 1-3 vs the best fighters he fought. Did he beat other fighters above this caliber, if so who?

2 ) His prime was very short and he retired at age 28. His losses also happened when he stepped it up in competition in my opinion.

3 ) He has a lot of novices and no names on his resume and this includes title defenses vs opponents with records like 8-2, 5-1, 4-2, and 4-0. Was this a case of cherry picking for title defenses? Surely there were better men for title defenses. Those records are pretty embarrassing for title fights. Anyone at the weight rated in Ring Magazine had to be better than these guys. Was Chang avoiding anyone? His quality of competition beaten on the surface is not overly impressive.

4 ) He fought in his home country often, never showing he was great in the USA or Europe vs a ranked contender. In addition, he won a close majority decision in his home nation vs German Torres, a foreign-born fighter, which makes me wonder how fair the decision was. Was this a bad decision or not?

 

Yes sir, fighting novices. Some research: He fought SEVEN guys making their debut, an 0-1 fighter, a 3-4-1 fighter in his 15th fight when the other guy was just 20.

I have already chronicled some of his title fights were vs. 4-0, 5-1, and 8-2 types.

Those are the numbers. Novices.

On Lopez, he was on the slide before he meet Chang, and lost 11 times before they met. It was a win for a guy( Chang ) on the way up vs someone decent, nothing beyond that.

 

No one is saying Golovkin is the best at his weight class and if you agree with that portion of his record, you cannot score a fight.

Back to the point of the thread?

 

If you grew up in the 80's and 90's, you'd know. He was a movie character who later in the movie got drunk and got into a fight with Jake Ryan ( another character in a movie see the 4:30 mark ). Okay, his clips are below. The movie itself 16 candles is a classic comedy.

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