Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Andrés Ponce Ruiz Jr. RBR

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  1. Delupino

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    The whole "Ruiz is a tub of lard" argument is bullcrap when you consider Ruiz built his whole career being that way. He got to where he is, now the heavyweight champion of the world, being grotesquely overweight. It's not like he was once even approaching a "healthy" BMI. Could it be that being vastly overweight actually helped him? I think so. As many have said before, if he was a "healthy" weight he would be fighting in a different division.

    His weight has given him a stolid quality that has defied his opponents. Combined with a naturally good chin, he's a kind of immovable object that provides a surprising basis for his naturally excellent hand speed. I remember watching him fight some years ago, when he was 10 and 0 or something like that, and being surprised by those blazing hands. It's unnatural for the division, but then he's not naturally in the heavyweight division. He's an anomaly. Team Joshua should have paid it more heed.
     
  2. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah. Carrying that much weight is a burden. No one that oversized is doing it by choice. Don't kid yourself.
     
  3. gerryb

    gerryb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Seems all the fights ive seen him in,hes always doing the moving forward,hes very hard to push back.
     
  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Given how much skill he has for his weight and given that he can move beyond what our expectations are of someone whose that large. Imagine how much better he'd be if he lost that weight which is slowing him down, not making him faster. Although as you wrote, pushing him back is harder due to his massive weight. But I'd trade the weight for speed anyday. Speed kills. And speed/velocity = power.
     
  5. thanosone

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  6. CarlChilders

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    The same people who were saying Anthony Joshua would easily beat Andy Ruiz now have to make excuses for Joshua. They have to build up Ruiz to make their boy Joshua look less bad.

    The same people who stated that Joshua being 6'5 240 meant he was too big for guys like Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson , Evander Holyfield and others couldn't beat him will now make excuses. A over weight cab driver in Andy Ruiz just spanked your boy. I have been saying this for years in the real world and months on this forum. AJ is a overrated joke who is lucky to fight in a weak era. Even weaker than the one Wladimir Klitschko fought in. When your eras best heavyweights are Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury you know your era is weak.
     
  7. thanosone

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    Did you just call the champ a cab driver? LOL
    Era is weak as hell tho. Agree there. I mean Ruiz is a champ lol.
     
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  8. Delupino

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    He would not be a heavyweight if he lost the fat. The guy is barely 6' tall. The 6'2" figure is as made up as Fury's 6'9". Joshua absolutely towered him in a way that made a mockery of the supposed 4 inch height difference.

    He may be as much as 45% body fat. That is just the way he is. More importantly, it's the way he's got used to fighting. At 175lbs, in the light heavies, he wouldn't have the confidence to fight as he does at heavy.
     
  9. thesmokingm

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    Lmao... did you just write that he would not be confident in the lower weights if he fought in his real weight class? Roflmao.
     
  10. thesmokingm

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    You clearly don't. I just downloaded the torrent and rewatched a lil bit of it. AJ did try body jabs and Ruiz stepped back off them, or countered AJ. Ruiz is rather nimble for a guy his weight. That said, nothing AJ did had much success, that's when he went for broke and had worse luck with power punching. He hit Ruiz, and Ruiz hit him back. Ruiz was not phased and AJ was ****ed up!!!! That was the difference.
     
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  13. PernellSweetPea

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    I think Ruiz had the speed advantage and his speed shocked Joshua when he was landing.. Joshua needs a better gameplan. He knocked him down first, so he has the style to win.. but don't get in exchanges, this guys has some heart and takes a decent punch. I am not sold on Wilder. Wilder is fast and punches hard, but I think has a weak chin also. I think Wilder and Joshua would have been knocked out by Mike Tyson in a few rounds. Wilder even earlier than Joshua.. And I don't think Tyson was that great, but he was great and he worked defense to work with offense. Wilder's defense is his offense.
     
  14. FastSmith7

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    Well, got back home, I’m convinced Ruiz would brutallt murder Wilder, what a performance, round 3 has to be one of the best rounds in a long time. Hats off ruiz
     
  15. Reg

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    He clearly has fast hands. His handspeed isn't going to get any faster just because he loses weight.