Well one thing we can see after retirement is how much money he has. I have my doubts that he will be in good financial condition 5 years after leaving the sport. We might hear then how much money was taken by his management team & how he will scrutinize the big money Joshua was making at the same time. But right now he is on a Valuev type title run and when the career is over they look at the lost opportunities.
Deontay's got the bomb squad advising him on his decisions. I can safely say he's in safe hands, with his best career interests paid by Al Haymon his promoter. Granpa Ortiz is reaping the awards too, with his second wbc title shot. It pays to be loyal to PBC. Ask that fool Dillian Whyte what happens when you don't show the bomb squad the proper respect.
Wilder should pray to Joshua every night for bringing excitement and attention back to the heavyweight division.
Pretty biased, since every fighter with an experienced management team behind them cherry picks fighters for their fighter (their investment) to face. Wilder has admittedly had a very calculated and well planned road to becoming a champion, but I could say the same for George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, and many other champions from the past. You say Joshua took a ton of risky fights, but Breazeale was tailor-made for Joshua and everybody knew it, Wlad was a great former champion, but was 41 years old and coming off almost two years of inactivity, and was at least 5-6 years past his prime, so he was expected to get flattened by Joshua and he was. Povetkin was a good test and a good win for Joshua, since he is very skilled, but its undeniable that Povetkin was 39 years old, and at this point in his career only has a 5-6 round gas tank and when he tired as expected he was easy pickings for the much younger Joshua to knockout. Parker was a good win, since he had a title, but he was hardly seen as a major threat to Joshua. So all of these fights weren't really big risks at all for Joshua. This is a sign of how good Joshua's team is, since they made him a ton of money with relatively little risk. I'd argue that Wilder, Joshua, and Fury have all had fantastic match making and management, since if they didn't they wouldn't be where they are today and likely wouldn't have become champions.
Its alright you saying biased but what has been said that is actually biased? You wont be able to give a decent answer Show me where I have said that? I havent. This is you trying to change what I wrote to give yourself an angle. Stop trying to rewrite what I wrote Possibly. I dont recall saying otherwise but consider if what I wrote is so biased that Breazeale was Joshuas first defence and 17th fight and was a suitable 9th defence for Wilder in his 42nd fight. This is not biased He wasnt as inactive as you make out. No he hadnt had a fight but had been in training camps due to cancelled fights. He was still considered a big step up for a 18 fight novice and would have been considered a step up above any of Wilders title defences at that time. Fury hadnt been overly active and was still losing weight when he fought Wilder. As for Wladimir 5-6 years past his prime, he had in that 5 years before only lost to Fury and had beaten top HWs in Haye, Povetkin, Pulev. In fact his last 7 fights before that fight, he was 6-1 and 6 of those were undefeated opponents None of this makes his route easier than Wilders. You could say more about Ortiz Once again, still considered a bigger risk than Wilder had taken prior to Fury and even then its after the Fury fight where people are talking as many before felt Fury had looked very poor in his 2 showings prior and inactivity. Not sure if you are missing the point or just in full on defence mode. Wilder regardless of your opinions of the opponent, hasnt fought a Parker, Klitschko etc to unify a title. He as a champion hasnt had those fights I think you misunderstand the thread
I always said part of Wilder success is that he and his team take their time. Most guys want a title shot as fast as possible just for the money. Wilder and his team took a different route, a smarter route. If Wilder would of faced either Klitschko when he was say 25-0 he would of got clobbered as Wilder was nowhere ready at that point. I'm sure Wilder and his team realized it and that's why they never pushed for a title fight back then. Smart on their part. Most fighters wouldn't of had the patience. They wouldn't of been able to resist the money. Having said that I don't think Joshua did it wrong. To me it's more about taking a title shot when you are ready. Clearly Joshua was ready to be in the fights he were in. That's why he is a unified world heavyweight champion. But you see many guys with inflated records like 20-0 that haven't fought anybody that demand title shots. Even if you are 20-0 and you know you have no chance at beating the champion why rush into a title fight? Most guys do it for the money. Guys like Breazeale, and many like him are the guys that did it wrong. Breazeale would of been better off continuing to build up his skill set instead of rushing into fights he had absolutely zero chance of winning against Joshua and Wilder. Some fighters take the one lucky punch too literal. They must think all I need is one lucky punch and I can be a millionaire. Funny how it rarely works out that way. The guys that need that one lucky punch to win almost always lose. Which goes to show "one lucky punch" isn't so much a strangely but a fools gold. Credit to Wilder and his team for playing the long game and not going for immediate money. He is going to make far, far more because of that.
So here we have my point Joshua has taken risks to win 3 world titles and fought some of the opponent's considered a threat like Klitschko and povetkin, regardless of the comments like their age etc, they were dangerous fights for a fighter with only around 20 fights Now like I said about it all becoming draining. Joshua in so few fights has unified 3 titles, fought undefeated world champs made several defense and instead of learning under the radar has been constantly on the big stage. Wilder was able to get experience had no expectations as such and got to build up slowly Now Joshua has lost in a fight many feel was an upset against an opponent that I think many other HWs could beat. All Wilder needs is the one fight and he has it all. Well managed, less risky? So now you may understand the thread?
It doesn't look as dumb now. I would guess Ruiz could be a far less dangerous easier fight for Wilder. Wilder could clean up with one win Management
He was brought up very slowly and many questioned his lack of resume for a long time (and rightfully so,) but he's been taking on tough challenges now for over a year straight and has his eyes set on fighting a top 5 fighter in Ortiz followed by Fury. He's definitely making up for lost time.
If you consider now that chances are Ruiz is an easier fight for Wilder than Joshua and Wilder could clean up with one win like that Management?
Wilder can now possibly clean up with what I think would be a less risky fight. I think what we said about things being draining became apparent. Everything was on the big stage where nerves can kick in, where opposition raise their game etc
IMO it depends on how Wilder's team view this loss. If a fluke, yes, but if they expected this or claimed it, then they along with Fury's team made a bad decision to not win all the belts from whom Wilder just tweeted wasn't a real champ. His career was a lie. If so, why not have a management that could've given Wilder the chance to prove how fake AJ was? As far as Wilder's whole career, it's all speculative & subjective. I won't engage in a debate about cherry picking, only to read the entire era is supposedly weak. Not sure how going for title against Stivernne was well guided. Also not big on saying Ortiz was a threat, then rewrite into the old folks home when he loses. Not sure how Fury was a well guided decision. Breland knows better than any of us. Any guy who can't box, has minimum skills at best & depending on his power alone....every fight is 50/50 for him! I understand the question, just respectfully disagree. Flip the script, going into the ruiz fight....most here could say that was a well guided decision.
Home advantage is massive (as we saw) and wilder didn't fight a world title fight outside of America but did gain experience fighting outside the US before being a world champ in a fight he was expected to clearly win The long game and great management?
