POLL: Why did AJ lose so badly? Choose your reason!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Potato80, Jun 2, 2019.



Why did AJ lose so badly? Choose your reason!

  1. The TUEs/PEDs didn't work or he wasn't on them ("why do I feel like this?")

    11 vote(s)
    16.4%
  2. Ruiz's style was all wrong for him but AJ will be back (aka 'bad night')

    29 vote(s)
    43.3%
  3. Ruiz's style was all wrong for him and AJ simply isn't good enough (aka 'lacks heart')

    20 vote(s)
    29.9%
  4. There was something wrong with his neck/stye in his eye/had a cold/antibioticdical condition excuse)

    7 vote(s)
    10.4%
  5. He was dropped heavy in sparring in the week prior

    12 vote(s)
    17.9%
  6. He had an anxiety attack (odd backstage/pre-fight behaviour)

    8 vote(s)
    11.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Unforgiven

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    NO EXCUSES

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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You get hit with one punch fine, then get out of the way or hold on, but he would back up and get hit as he was backing up with several punches. He had no where to go.. He needs to work on his boxing IQ. This was not skill or power but techniques. Sort of simple things. He can beat Ruiz no problem if he works on holding and leaning. It was almost an experience problem.
     
  3. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    You don't see how that changes anything ?? Sparked days before a big fight ? Seriously ? You ever heard of concussion ?? Do you know why they don't allow journeyman to jump straight back in after getting a KO in their previous fight, theres a time limit they have to sit out as a precaution for this very reason
     
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  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    concussion gets used far too often on this forum.

    Not every hit leads to a concussion... you werent even there.

    Could have been a flash knockdown. if it was that bad AJ and mcracken.would have avoided exchanges.
     
  5. Potato80

    Potato80 A potato Full Member

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    Interesting stats so far.

    FWIW, for me, the manner of the loss was quite profound. I'm struggling to remember a champion losing so badly. This wasn't a one-punch lucky shot; this was a disassembly of AJ by Ruiz over the full course of 7 rounds.

    Any other boxer will know now that they can bring it to him in a swarming style, that he's too stiff, that he drops his hands, that he gasses.

    I think he was exposed and I think the conglomerate of factors will be too difficult to change at this stage of his career. Klitchschko had to do a similar multi-level change, but the heavyweight landscape was different then, he wasn't battling for supremacy with two other supremely gifted fighters.

    Also - I'm with Whyte on this one - I genuinely think there was an issue with his TUE/PEDs. The drugs didn't work on Saturday night. That's why he asked "why do I feel like this".
     
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  6. Komaster

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    He underestimated Ruiz.
    He didn't employ an effective hit and hold tactic (hence why Wlad went so long undefeated in Germany).
    He hasn't fought a guy who has pedigree, can put together combinations of more than two punches (ie: not Parker) and wasn't terrified of him.
    Ruiz studied the Whyte/AJ tape.
    Shapeshifter AJ affected a bizarre persona for the evening and wanted a flashy, gangsta-like performance instead of being cautious and calculative.
    He was concussed from the initial knockdown and never fully recovered hence the bizarre mannerisms for the remainder of the fight.
    He was in the pocket all too often - possibly due to his lack of agility.
    Inexperience in boxing survival techniques.
    Ruiz is a master finisher.
    The neck rub released his senses when a boxer should have a healthy nervousness about him. He should be getting slapped and woken up instead of an intimate touching session.
     
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  7. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe AJ should've studied the Parker/Ruiz tape.
     
  8. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    then it wouldn't of been a problem, but out cold is a major problem
     
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  9. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    That's your answer. Basic linear boxer relying on physicality, doesn't have elite boxing skills to have a plan B and has bad punch resistance.
     
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  10. Bondy365

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    I would say there appeared no plan B from the corner men. He was asking corner team for advice when plan A wasn't working and getting told same line to continue with the jab jab straight, which ultimately was his downfall. He wasn't stable footed to land a solid jab and was getting countered with big hooks every time he flicked a weak jab out.

    He went too hard looking for the stoppage when he rocked Ruiz, Got rocked himself and never recovered. Seemed to not be recovering quickly and Ruiz continued to land big shots on him. Best man won on the night, that is all
     
  11. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that’s a fair assessment. I would just add that plan A has worked pretty well for him up until now, good counterpuncher with huge power, he’s pretty good at it. Ruiz isn’t elite level either (at least from my present opinion) but a better counterpuncher with faster hands and better chin.
     
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  12. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Possibly a bit simplistic, but you make a very important point nonetheless. Joshua kept trying to exchange with Ruiz and lost nearly all of them. His habits of ducking in exchanges, keeping his hands low, resulted in him getting countered badly in most of the exchanges. And you're right that in several previous fights Joshua relied on going big on exchanges and getting rid of his opponent - Klitschko couldn't handle his aggression for example. Even in other fights he usually made more of an impression in the exchanges. This time he simply couldn't handle it when Ruiz went for him in the exchanges, basically going down or retreating in great haste.

    Parker lost a few exchanges too against Ruiz, but then sat behind his jab for the last 5 rounds and avoided further trouble.
     
  13. BCS8

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    My take is that he's too muscular and when a guy can push him into sustained and heavy exchanges, he gasses out fast. I see it as similar to the "mysterious" Wlad loss against Brewster, where he was going hard for round after round, and then suddenly caved in. Super-muscular guys that put in sustained effort seem to hit a wall after a while and they literally run flat. For the MMA buffs around, I refer to powerhouse Carwin vs Lesnar. Carwin absolutely beat the dogshyte out of Brock and then all of a sudden spazzed out. Batteries flat.

    Joshua may have these supplemental reasons for losing: Ruiz was flat out better and a worse stylistic match than anybody thought, (including AJ), he may not have been mentally ready for a fight to the last blood so to speak and, yeah, Joshua's chin may be somewhat on the shaky side.
     
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  14. chico g

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    Not durable enough to handle Ruiz's combinations, and not quick enough to handle the exchanges.
     
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  15. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nowhere near as good as prime Wladimir Klitschko, that's the reason. Imagine what the PC metrosexual weirdo would have done to Ruiz back in his chest-shaving prime.