Yes Ruiz is fat. We should embrace it, it's part of his brand

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Scientific studies are flawed. The actual in-ring evidence is more reliable and doesn't lie. If being fat was so bad for stamina, then why do we have such numerous of skinny / muscular boxers gassing, time after time, as with the case with David Haye, Wladimir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua, Frank Bruno, Mike Tyson and etc.

    I never claimed anything about being 'obese'. None of these guys are obese, if they are able to box 12 rounds without getting tired.

    A fat trained heavyweight is totally different from a fat untrained dude from the pub. A trained fat guy is at an advantage in the heavyweight division.

    George Foreman gassed multiple times in the 70's, not just against Ali. Foreman never gassed in the 90's despite being fat.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    Obesity is when you carry too much bodyfat that it negatively affects your health.

    Ruiz meets that criteria.
     
  3. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    :lol: Not the unification? Not the upsets? Not the fact that he is the oldest champ?

    GTFO with your bias.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    Not really. He padded his number of defenses against Welterweights and needed to beat Robert Allen 3 times.
     
  5. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, I'm not. I'm saying, his stamina, speed, work-rate, durability and all other facets of his game that were relevant, were on point. So how he looks, is utterly irrelevant to me because unlike you, I happen to judge boxers based on how they perform, over how they look.

    If Ruiz's stamina, speed and all other relevant facets of his game were sufficiently high enough that it enabled him to win, then by definition, he had very good work ethic and professionalism. It was Anthony Joshua who lacked work ethic by virtue of gassing and not having sufficient stamina to last. It's really that simple!

    I'd rather a fat guy who wins, than a skinny guy who loses. Ruiz being able to beat Joshua, means he had better work ethic and professionalism than those skinny guys who lost to Joshua.

    Guess what? A boxer's performance in the ring speaks volumes about their professionalism and work ethic, not how they look. If you want to judge people based on how they look, then go to the body building section or the modelling section. You'd have better luck there. In here, we discuss boxing. As in, you know, the art of punching?
     
  6. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    It's known that muscles take a toll on stamina. So it shouldn't be a shock.
    Skinny guys gassing is a funny thing. I would guess it comes down to genetics. Met a guy a few years who looked like a starved anemic. Never seen anyone run with the stamina he had. Dude was a monster who barely ever did any athletics. Just didn't get tired.
    And a few other stamina monster whom I have met have been a bit more chubby. Muscular but chubby none the less. A funny combo.
     
  7. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    How come Trinidad was a MW titlist and the favorite?
     
  8. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    Because he beat William Joppy.
     
  9. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Also, stamina for boxing is totally different than stamina for other sports too. Just like stamina for a strongman in the world strongest man events or for a sumo wrestler is totally different than the stamina requirements for a long distance runner.

    In a boxing contest, James Toney would hands down have better stamina than a long distance runner. Meanwhile, James Toney would have no relevant stamina in a long distance running contest against a professional in that field.
     
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  10. madballster

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    You mean like when Buster Douglas became the undisputed HW champion by knocking out Mike Tyson, then ballooning up to 300 lbs after the fight and ruling the HW division for the following 10 years?

    Or when Tyson Fury upset Wlad Klitschko in front of his home crowd, became lineal HW champion, then ballooned up to 375 lbs, becoming an icon of professionalism, discipline and iron will for athletes around the world?

    Discipline and professionalism matter, if you like it or not. Every boxing trainer knows it. Every human resource manager knows it. Every armed forces officer knows it. Just for some reason you choose to live in some fantasy world where work ethic and discipline don't matter.

    We're talking about Ruiz' prospects for the next 10 years here. We're NOT discussing his (amazing) performance on Saturday night.
     
  11. venbox

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    I'd like to see Ruiz vs Kownacki, for the unified world heavyweight championship. Sponsored by macdonalds, pizza hut, burguer king and kfc.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    How can I embrace him? I can't even get my arms around him.
     
  13. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is not as if Ruiz showed excellent stamina against Joshua. The pace was slow, even for heavyweights. Ruiz threw less than 3o punches per round, and landed less than 9 punches per round. Hardly a scintillating performance. Shamefully, Anthony Joshua's numbers were even lower.
     
  14. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ppl. still believe in fairy tales and boy magazines, when boxing has proven time and time again that physical appearance doesn't pay the bills, skills do.

    Ruiz was in form enough to out-speed and outlast AJ, bringing his whole defensive/offensive arsenal, and actually used that 21 lbs on Joshua as an advantage to:
    a) take AJ's power better and
    b) put more mass (any mass you can transfer from your legs to the end of your shots) to hurt AJ back

    Ppl. make a big deal about so-called "weight bullies" so why shouldn't Ruiz be one, however he chooses to achieve it? The man was clearly in fighting shape, from a boxing perspective, and that's the sport he was performing.
     
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  15. 3rdegree

    3rdegree Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Andy has an approximate body mass index of 36 (OBESE <30) . God only knows what his bad cholesterol level is, but it's probably safe to assume it's high. Any Dr. with a conscience would advise him to lose a significant amount of weight or possibly risk losing by cardiac arrest. You can't ignore established medical guidelines because he's had success at this weight.