[GIF] Joe Louis check hook against Galento

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  1. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who'd you pick going in out of curiosity?

    Plenty of people are now saying Ruiz had the grounding and the style to beat AJ all along.

    Before the fight I heard nothing of the sort. We all knew AJ had weaknesses but looking at a guy who is fat (lets be realistic he is) a full head shorter, comparatively tiny reach and an attrition more so than a one punch puncher, this isn't the prototype that we'd be picking to take out Joshua is it, honestly?
     
  2. Pat M

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    I watched the fight at a boxing gym, with boxers and trainers. Everybody there thought it was a 50-50 fight going in, most giving a slight edge to Ruiz. The reason was that they had seen Ruiz training videos. He has excellent fundamentals, quickness, and power. The people who know boxing know Ruiz is a well schooled fighter, the people who read about boxing probably got a big surprise.
     
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  3. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You must have made a bundle betting on it then.

    Well done.
     
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  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I hadn’t seen much Ruiz but I predicted that Joshua would stop him inside of 3 rounds, and in fairness he very well might have if he hadn’t gotten clipped while he was trying to finish Ruiz.

    He has a lot of the traits you might expect in the prototype to take out Joshua (chin, good defense, good hand speed, counter-punching skills, good defense, and a punch).
     
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  5. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I watched him against Parker and thought he was being sold short but I thought AJ would beat him down within 7.

    I wasn't sure on his chin (because Parker is only a decent puncher in my view), liked his hand speed and I thought he was purely an attrition puncher. He's better than I thought and Joshua is more flawed than I (and probably most) thought.

    Wilder, Fury or even Whyte in a rematch were the prototypes to beat AJ in a fight I thought. Andy Ruiz with his height and reach disparities was the remotest of outside chances to get the job done going in.

    Go figure.
     
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  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. People got too caught up in the hype. Anybody that thought Joshua was going to run over Ruiz clearly never seen him fight. I knew at worst Ruiz would take Joshua the distance, since he can take a punch, had good hand speed, and good inside fighting, but I also didn’t think Joshua would be dumb enough to not use the ring to make Ruiz use his legs up.

    Joshua going into the rematch needs to spar more with some skilled light heavyweights and cruiserweights that have fast hands, that will force him to work on conserving his energy, and to move his head. Sparring big stiff slow heavyweights all the time is no good.
     
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  7. greynotsoold

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    The guy that trains him was born in a boxing gym, a second generation boxing trainer. In my opinion, one of his greatest strengths is developing, and teaching, strong fight plans.

    As to the Louis clip, that is a beautiful move, and something you don't see much of. There is a common belief that it is difficult to punch hard moving backwards, that you have to step into your punches. Louis has a guy coming straight to him so he slides back, gets his weight on his right side, and turns on it.

    He also illustrates the value of moving straight back; if the other guy will follow you straight back, you can walk him into punches.
     
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  8. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is the term "counterpunch" out of style or something? That's what I see there. Why invent a new term?
     
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  9. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nice clip, Rez.
     
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  10. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that's precisely right!

    Two Ton jumped in with a left hook lead, and like Text Book form, Louis 'countered' in systematic move, too his own defensive block parry.
     
  11. janitor

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    So how exactly did Galento get as far as he got?

    His under rated boxing skill?
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

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    Mostly by physically overwhelming his weak opposition. And by having the notoriety and backing to secure him big fights after bad losses that probably would have been career-enders in Tua’s era.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There is not such thing, as a fighter who is successful for no reason!

    Tony Galento was the #1 contender, in an era where Billy Conn and Lou Nova were both pushing for a title shot.

    An era where there were a lot of small technical boxers, and bigger fighters who could seriously bang.

    An era where Jersey Joe Walcott couldn't even get a sniff at the title!

    It seems to me that the easiest way to square this circle, is to assume that Galento could seriously bang!
     
  14. Flash24

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    INSTINCTIVE!!! Louis didn't "Think" about nailing Galento with that shot, it came because of unknown thousands of Hrs in the gym sparring, exhibitions, and fighting. No heavyweight today could react that quickly and land the left hook that cleanly. (Hell most Heavys today don't know how or when to use the left hook ) As Lee Jun Fan once said " I don't strike, it strikes all by itself". Basically meaning" I've put in the time with the RIGHT kind of training my offense reacts instinctively to any defensive flaw I see. Heavyweight s today couldn't do that to day regardless of the competition.
     
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  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    And I could post a clip of Galento nailing Louis with a wide, telegraphed hook to question Louis’ instincts and claim that no heavyweight today would get hit by such a ridiculous punch. That’s the problem with reading too much into a single cherry-picked punch.
     
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