Floyd Patterson vs Andy Ruiz

I am not in favor of the logic that says "this underdog beat this top fighter, so he probably beats a heap of other top fighters."

Joshua lost to Ruiz, and that is his problem, not anybody else's.

Patterson would be able to best Ruiz in the one attribute that is most important to his success, namely hand speed.

Joshua fought s stupid fight, and if Patterson fights a smart one, he probably wins.

 

I don't think Ruiz winning is totally impossible, but I don't think it'd be at all likely, not from what we've seen so far.

Ruiz has good speed and bit of range and size which could cause Patterson some problems. His power is nothing special though, and I imagine his slow feet will cause a lot of problems.

A decent chance of making Patterson taste the canvas, but he done that plenty of times, and always got up, often to win.

 

Ruiz, Jr "Mr. Snickers", could easily show up at Butterbeanweight….if all the TV shows &
banquets go to his head (& gut).

 

I've got Ruiz dropping Floyd very early on but he regroup s , works steady, takes him in to the latter round s , then moves in with swift hard hooks that put him on ***** St .

 

People underestimate the fat. When you punch, you put your weight behind it. Whether it's fat or muscle, it won't make a difference. With proper technique and leverage, your weight will follow the punch. 1 lbs of fat = 1 lbs of muscle. Difference is density. Fat takes up more space. People tend to ignore Ruiz's weight because a lot of it is fat. But it's still mass. Ruiz weighs over 260 lbs and he has good handspeed. Floyd is obviously much better than Ruiz but size matters. Ruiz will be able to take Patterson's shots but I don't think Patterson could take Ruiz's. I gotta go with Ruiz because this is a mismatch. Floyd was more of a light-heavyweight.

 

So why are boxing trainers not encouraging their prospects to get as fat as possible?

 

Need to see Ruiz against other top fighters before picking him over Floyd Patterson.

 

Maybe they are.

It would explain a lot.

 

Make it stop.

 

Ruiz would be too powerful for Floyd, he has quicker hands than Liston and would knock any cruiserweight fighting today except Usyk whi is bigger than Paterson was, Ruiz got off the floor and caught AJ he could do the same to Floyd.

 

Is that a serious question? No one should get fat if they aren't fat. When you're obese for a long period, your body adapts. Your heart undergoes structural changes because there's an increased demand for oxygen in obese people. Your total blood volume increases, size of ventricles increases, cardiac output increases, and so does your blood pressure. Your heart is working harder all the time, even when you're resting. Obese people are at a higher risk of getting heart disease, arthritis, diabetes, high blood pressure etc.

Imagine you're a runner and I put a 10 lbs weight vest on you. You will be slower and you'll get tired faster. Over time, your body will adapt to that weight. You might not be as fast as you were or have the same cardio but you'll improve with time. Now, imagine you had this vest on since you were a kid. It won't bother you when you're an adult. Ruiz turned pro at the age of 19. Wanna know how much he weighed for his debut? 297½ lbs. I highly doubt his weight bothers him. If it did, he wouldn't be competing at this level.

You're assuming anyone can get fat and fight like Andy. How many morbidly obese men have the speed he has? How many have the cardio he has? Being fat isn't an advantage. You have to work harder to get the same results as a normal person. But if you want to stay fat and box, it's really up to you.

A few days back, everyone was acting like size doesn't matter because Ruiz beat Joshua. Everyone looked at his height and ignored his weight. Ruiz was heavier than Joshua. Just because it's fat, it doesn't mean we ignore it. Take James Toney for example. He was 5'10 and weighed 235 lbs at heavyweight. Do you think the super middleweight or light HW version of James Toney could've competed against Holyfield, Rahman, Ruiz, Peter?

Ruiz is fat. He shouldn't be as quick as he is and he shouldn't have the cardio he has. But he does. Not everyone with that physique could become the heavyweight champ. It's highly unlikely to be honest. Ruiz is a gifted athlete.

 

If that weight advantage exists in a fight after the 70's of course.
Before then it doesn't matter if the opponent is 80lb bigger in muscle, fat, or both.
The big guy is harmless.

 

So can we start giving Bob Fitzsimmons credit for KOing Ed Dunkhorst now?