Do unification fights over rule rematch clauses?

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  1. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Doesn't matter. Windmill will want no part of the Ruizmeister after that performance. He'll stick to fighting old men and puddings rather than face an in his prime, skilled , iron chinned fighter than Ruiz.
     
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  2. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sooner this rematch happens the better...then all the amateur lawyers will STFU questioning clauses in contracts when the closest they’ve come to one is at the job centre filing in a JSA form.
     
  3. Crixus139

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    Rematch is awesome business for Ruiz. Play hard ball and then take the mega contract in the UK and back yourself to do the same all over again. He stands to earn so much money I wouldn't be surprised if his career earning close the gap on any other HW in 2 to 3 fights. He also has so much time to focus and get in the condition of his life whilst AJ's team prob haven't got a clue what to do and that indecision will cause no end of nervousness and despair.

    If AJ loses again i wonder how purses across the board will be impacted in the short and long term.
     
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  4. pow

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    I think the decision is out of Joshua's hands. He is under contract himself and also under pressure from multi million pound sponsorship deals. I don't see he has any other option except to take the rematch unless he wants to walk away from boxing. He lost the plot last weekend and it depends how well he mentally recovers. He stands no chance against Fury or Wilder they will destroy his soul before gets to the ring.
     
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  5. Robney

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    I wonder why people just seem to think (hope) Ruiz can avoid the rematch clause.
    I don't care if his adviser/manager/promoter/owner is a lawyer, because even if he was the very best there is (pretty sure he leaves it to his own lawyers), it's extremely unlikely you can get out of a premade ironclad contract that has been gone through many drafts and passed review of multiple lawyers.
    If Joshi was with some half assed promoter, then maybe that contract would have holes in it, but with guys like Arum, Haymon, Oscar, Hearn etc it's quite unlikely that contract is less than bulletproof.
    Only thing that might be negotiable is where the fight is going to take place, and even that isn't likely because sure they know they might get screwed over if they didn't put something like that on paper.

    If it was that simple then every boxer pulling the upset as a voluntary would do whatever is in their own best interest, and contracts are just worthless pieces of paper. Pretty sure things like financials are covered in some degree also, so they can't just demand some unreasonable amount to get out of it either.
    Last and only succesful contracted rematch duck I can recall was from Fury. But he went trough a lot to achieve that, losing all his titles, retired, suspended and had mental issues... Don't see Ruiz going down that road.
     
  6. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    The wbo & ibf have mandatorys coming up soon, if both governing bodies decide to implement them, then the mandatory fights could come before the rematch.
     
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  7. Robney

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    Nope, they won't.
    Contracts can't be breached due to an outside party. They can strip Ruiz, but they can't prevent the fight from happening.
    Fury got stripped by the IBF shortly after wining it for having to rematch Wlad.. They didn't know it wasn't ever going to take place
     
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  8. Robney

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  9. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    They can order a mandatory to take place before the dec date Hearn has given is what I was alluding to. The typo put would when it should be could. If either fed wanted the mand to take place before Dec, then they could order that. Ruiz would have to then fight the mand. Obviously Hearn could bring the date forward and it all would get rather messy.
     
  10. Robney

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    It's an immediate rematch. That means no fights inbetween, because that would be a risk.
    Can you imagine if a huge upset like this takes place and the IBF or WBO comes in and brings in the mandatory. Huge chance the guy pulling the upset would lose that fight and then the rematch would be just a rematch for bragging rights.
    Or he can injure himself, whatever.

    That's why it's called an immediate rematch
     
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  11. Momus

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/22/sports/boxing-rahman-must-fight-lewis-or-sit-for-18-months.html

    Not the exact same scenario, but Lewis took Rahman to court to enforce a rematch clause, rather than Rahman take an easy defence against Izon with a view to fighting Tyson afterwards.

    IIRC an important consideration in the verdict was that due to Lewis' advanced age for a fighter, and testimony that he was declining in ability, his career would be significantly damaged if the rematch did not take place at the next opportunity. Joshua wouldn't be able to use that precise argument, and there's no guarantee that (hypothetically) if he took Ruiz to court to enforce a rematch clause it would be upheld. Different contract, different circumstances, different judge etc.

    It's not just about having a rematch clause. To enforce it there presumably would need to be evidence that it would be detrimental to Joshua's career if the rematch did not happen, and that the clause was reasonable.

    I think it really depends on what Ruiz wants. If he wants the rematch it will happen, but if he wants to go in a different direction he can probably find a way to do so, even if it means paying Joshua to step aside.
     
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  12. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    In principle the federation's can call a mandatory, it doesn't matter what Hearn or ruiz have in contracts between themselves at the end of the day the federation's if the have mandatorys coming up can call them. It won't happen but in principle this is true.
    Upsets happen all the time, there's no special circumstances because it's Eddie and a j.. The rematch clause means he can't take a voluntary that's what Eddie will have in the contract.
     
  13. Robney

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    No, an immediate rematch means no fights inbetween at all. No voluntary, no mandatory, no nothing... back to back fights in case of an upset.
     
  14. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    The governing body calls the shots not Eddie. If they call a mandatory then they can call a mandatory. Your example of fury earlier on, is backing up my claim.
     
  15. 305th

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    Do you think that:

    A) - Hearn is going to risk his multimillion pound golden goose, forever, in November to a fighter that has already steamrolled him once.
    B) - Haymon is going to roll over and accept losing hundreds of millions

    Think about it hard. The rematch is not happening.