How would the Wilder who fought Molina do vs this Ruiz?

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  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    REMINDER. It was Wilder's 33rd fight.
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  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Molina a tough S.O.B. I respect his effort against Wilder. Went out on his shield.

    Anyways

    Tough to say honestly. Its a winnable one for Ruiz but he will still get hit plenty in return from a guy who he doesnt match up with quite as well as he does against AJ.

    Tough call for me. Could see it going either way.
     
  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder hasn’t really changed to be honest. I see Wilder outpointing Ruiz and playing it safe, since like Joshua learned the hard way and I knew from seeing Ruiz spar several times in the past Ruiz isn’t somebody that Is going to be easily stopped. I can see Wilder dropping Ruiz once or twice, but Ruiz would go the distance.
     
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  4. Ironmanmt

    Ironmanmt Member Full Member

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    With Wilder's technique(He will get caught eventually, its a matter of time) he should feel extremely grateful to have heavy hands. .Ruiz throws some vicious combinations and would have possibly dropped Wilder, but ultimately Wilder goes on to win a decision or late round stoppage.
     
  5. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder up to the Breazale fight gets ko’d. Breazale fight Wilder looked stronger and although it was very brief fight hard to make determination but Wilder’s technique was better
     
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  6. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Ruiz would beat any version of Wilder except for maybe the Stiverne I version.

    Wilder really isn't that good.
     
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  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How would the Ruiz of the Liakhovich fight do against the Wilder of Breazeale?
     
  8. Okin129

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    Wilder imo improved a lot since that fight, especially his ring iq and accuracy, Molina wouldn‘t last 9 rounds against the Wilder from the Brazil fight and the Wilder from the Molina fight wouldn‘t have scored 2 knockdowns against Fury.
     
  9. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder would most likely go several rounds with Molina again before stopping him, since I can see Molina crowding him and Wilder is still not very effective when you don’t give him space. Also, if Wilder and Fury fought even back in 2016 I still think Fury would’ve tasted the canvas once or twice, since Fury tends to leave himself open when he’s coming forward.

    Breazeale just happened to be tailormade for Wilder, which is really bad on Breazeale’s part, since he’s sparred Wilder many times in the past and should’ve known better than to drop his left hand like he did, which is a sign that he’s doing sloppy drills in the gym and not getting called on it by his trainers for it.

    My trainer and Bernie Hopalian, who was Malik Scott’s trainer worked with Wilder for the better part of a week back in 2012 at our gym and tried to work on Wilder’s footwork, combinations, and ring efficiency, but had mixed results, since Wilder doesn’t take instruction very well. Wilder 7 years later still has horrible footwork, doesn’t put his punches together enough, and isn’t efficient in the ring. In the 12th against Fury he did use his head for once and setup the combination that put Fury down, but he was too tired to finish Fury after wasting 11 rounds hitting air.
     
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  10. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Seriously? IMO 120 seconds aint nearly enough to judge any improvement. It's the same old Wilder.
     
  11. The Long Count

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    In all honesty it’s not enough time but he added 11lbs of lean muscle since last fight. (That’s a lot and should raise eyebrows) but he looked stronger and the two punches he threw were straight. But Breazale just another fringe guy out there to make Tay look good after Fury embarrassed him
     
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  12. MarcelCerdan13

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    he gets destroyed. If he’d gone without improvement Ortiz would’ve destroyed him as well. He’s not developed into masterful technical boxer by any means, but his sense of how to use his natural attributes and when to commit and when to pull back has gotten much better.
     
  13. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prior to the AJ/Ruiz fight I thought Ruiz would have more trouble with AJ and much less with Wilder. I was wrong. I thought he would stand a good chance of troubling and possibly ktfo Wilder. i still think he stands a very good chance of KTFO Wilder. It can go either way, I am betting on Ruiz by ko.
     
  14. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Isn't Wilder fighting Ortiz? I had Ortiz winning by several rounds until he got overconfident. Unless Ortiz gets old overnight (he looks 50 to me) we could be seeing Ortiz vs Ruiz.
     
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  15. Manassas

    Manassas “Rumble young man rumble!” Full Member

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    THAT would be a glorious upset, and a bang-up scrap, if it happens