Time to cry AJ and Matchroom Fans

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ButeTheBeast, Jun 15, 2019.



  1. TonyHayers

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    The notion that Fury fought the real Klitschko and Joshua didn't seems a bit like a Fury fanboy mantra. Wlad said his head was all over the place when he fought Fury and went after the rematch straight away, which Fury ducked. Admitted he was at his best for the Joshua fight but not good enough.

    Wlad on his game gives Fury serious problems, hence why Tyson swerved the rematch and got stuck into the drugs.
     
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  2. notjustacasual

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    So what are you boys trying to say?

    That racism isn't a very real and very widespread problem?

    I mean that's just asinine but ok, explain to me why there's a large hatred towards AJ and why many people were extatic to see him lose.

    I mean real genuine reasons to have a genuine disdain for the man.

    Bonus points for not using the term casual
     
  3. Shrewd_dude

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    Who would have thought some people wouldn’t take to a racist ex drug dealer.
     
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  4. Unforgiven

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    That's not true.
    Firstly, Joshua is extremely popular in the UK.
    The main reason some boxing fans in UK root against Joshua is because SKY/Hearn and the BBC and the entire News Corp media and all UK mainstream media have been building him up and hyping him for years, exaggerating his considerable achievements, beyond his actual abilities, and often to the detriment of other fighters.
    A lot of us have a low tolerance for that type of hype. It's not Joshua's fault, of course. But a loss puts those other hypesters in there place.
    Many of the boxing fans who are sick of the Joshua hype are black too.

    He's the Golden Boy and the media have run with it to sickening proportions. That's where the backlash has always come from.

    Fury's the opposite in many ways. He's been the nation's hate figure, he's been written off, he's been ignored and dismissed at times. He's been the underdog. That, along with a unique personality, is why he's gaining such support now.
     
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  5. HappyClappy

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    Ive answered your question already above. I just dont understand why people need to flip the race card whenever something happens they dont like. Now if you please, back to the boxing, ta.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    I don't know his answer.
    I'll just share this anecdote to provoke some thought on your part :
    I live in a very multicultural part of London and I stepped out of my house to go to the shops on the morning after the Joshua fight, and walking a few paces in front of me there was a young black guy on the phone to his mate talking about the fight. He was voicing his opinions and seemed to be quite pleased Joshua had lost and was already talking about all the fans excuses and the lack of credit Ruiz was getting.
    I remember him saying "people want all the fame and success when he's winning but can't deal with it when they lose" and "people build them up to be something they are not".

    The idea that people who feel this way must be angry white racists is just bizarre in my view.

    Besides, even most white racists "accept" black boxers and have done for years.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Wlad was an old man when Fury beat him, so I'm not saying it was "the real Wlad".
    But the idea that "his head was all over the place" and something off with him is PATHETIC EXCUSE MAKING.

    Of course Wlad would say that, because Fury schooled him and made him look awful and clueless.
    Joshua made an older Wlad look good, so Wlad didn't mind.

    You're grasping at straws to invent a rematch where Wlad gives Fury "serious problems".
    The fight didn't warrant a rematch anyway. It was dull and one-sided. Wlad can hardly lay a glove on Fury.
    Wlad's only chance of victory would be to be 30 years old again, which was impossible.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Wilder fans are saying Wilder "wasn't the real Wilder" against Fury too now, I've read several times.
    People just can't accept how good Fury is in comparison.
    He wins fights we don't think he can win, and then a load of people still can't accept it.
     
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  9. Scissors

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    It was tongue in cheek mate. No need for 8 paragraphs. Would rather have them on my valid point which everyone has ignored.

    What exactly are we celebrating here?

    Fury just beat the 7th best German heavyweight, Joshua just been best by a fat Mexican. Both have 0 titles.

    So what are we celebrating?
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    The other guy wasn't being tongue in cheek and your comment seemed to encourage/agree. You're right though, no need for my 8 paragraphs

    Who's celebrating ?

    Fury made the most of a dreadful mismatch. That's all. It could have been worse. It was a better entertainment than Seferi and Pianeta matches which was what was feared by many, I guess. No one cares that he beat Schwarz but he didn't look bad by anyone's reckoning. That's all there is to say.

    Fury is regarded as lineal champion and #1 heavyweight in the world by many.
     
  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Joshua lost to a fighter with pedigree, he wasn't some random fat mexican. over 105 victories at amateur isnt something to overlook.

    Ruiz wasn't expected to have a chance and really consider Joshua's alleged pedigree of being formally the unified champion who was ahead and shoulders above the rest in the division, according to many, then yes he should have won.

    But in no way shape or form can Ruiz be compared to Schwarz who was a stone cold beneath the earth's crust bum
     
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  12. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    You must have missed the multiple press conferences from Bob citing he's as great if not better than the likes of Ali and foreman off the back of that performance.

    Or the multitude twitter and youtube channels now saying he's the greatest heavyweight ever along with the multiple threads on here asking ''who can beat fury now''.

    The level of hype and undeserved praise Fury has received through his career is boarding on disgusting hypocritical levels and there is good argument that much of it has race connotations.
     
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  13. TonyHayers

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    He won one fight that he was a big outsider in. That's it. Then when a rematch was announced he ran away.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Ruiz Jr was always considered a much better opponent than Breazeale than Schwarz by true boxing fans.
    Like I said a couple of months ago, Ruiz was a clear improvement on Jarrell Miller, Joshua's original opponent.

    Breazeale was a bum really.

    ... and Schwarz is probably a level or two below Breazeale.
     
  15. kim_jong_un

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    His American debut was Cunningham.