Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

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  1. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    I could tell you what category you fall into, but unlike yourself I'm too polite!
    I content myself with this abbreviation CAUC.
     
  2. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    What division would he fight in today?
     
  3. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have no desire to get along with you. I will continue to correct your nonsensical posts that are a distortion of reality. You’re comment equating “holding hands high” to defensive capability says it all. Take a look at Tommy Loughran, Benny Leonard, Who we’re both nearly untouchable while keeping guard low and instead used footwork and scientific boxing to avoid being hit.

    You should have spent 50 years doing something you’re good at by the way.......
     
  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    I´ve already mentioned the discrepancy. Check Parker on YT Talking About his size and build.

    What does this look like to you???

    Opponents
    Avarage weight: 192,59
    Median weight: 189,0
    Standard Deviation: 15,19
    How many opponents fought at LHW (<176): 5
    How many opponents fought at CW (>175;<191): 23
    How many opponents fought at new CW (>175;<200): 32
    How many opponents fought at HW (>199): 12
    How many opponents fought at modern HW (>209): 5

    How many opponents fought at HW (>199): 12 --> Half of these fighters had double-digit losses, the others were Louis, an 8-5-0; an 1-4-0, the 4-2-0 254lb SHW, 8-8-1 Simmons (ending career at 9-22-1) and last but not least the trimmed to the bones Don ****ell.

    Don´t laugh at someone arguing Bruce Seldon would beat the **** out of these fellows. He might be very damn right.
     
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  5. Rainer

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    You took a comment and made it the be all and end all Know Alls often do that to justify their pontificating I never suggested you have to keep your hands up to be clever defensively and you know it.
    Here is my post. " he also is very good defensively, he keeps his hands up all the time"

    You named a light heavy and a light weight, how many heavyweights have been successful fighting with a low guard?
    Ali got away with because he had tremendous wheels.
    Jones Jnr got away with it until his reflexes slowed and the holes in his technique became apparent.
    if you wanted to give an example of low guard efficiency you would have been better served in naming Jimmy Slattery.or Locche.
    Recent practitioners of hands down defence would include Kirkland Laing , its okay as long as you don't lose concentration ,he did twice, against Colin Jones.
    Nonsensical ? You're the fool who used Frazier being useless at weight lifting because he had no idea of the technique involved to imply he wasn't strong !

    Listen Mr Smug.
    I've offered you the chance for us to give each other a miss you refused ,fine.I'll see you around. Know All.
     
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  6. cuchulain

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    Andy was bigger than AJ.

    Not taller, but definitely bigger.

    Foreman was a lot bigger than Marciano.

    I'm a big fan of both, but I wouldn't give Rocky much hope against the George of Kingston.
     
  7. Rainer

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    By 21 pounds
     
  8. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again “Keeping your hands up” has no bearing on defensive capability.

    Loughran fought and beat many heavyweights. He was a top heavyweight contender in the 1930’s.

    Back in those days true boxing ability was demonstrated by the top boxers of the day.... footwork, blocking, parrying, slipping, counterpunching to vital areas of an opponents body etc. None of this included keeping hands high.

    Frazier had many limitations such has only having one effective fist...his left. Joe lacked coordination between his left and right side. Frazier was the only hwt champion to never in his career knock an opponent DOWN with his right hand. This lack of right side strength exhibited itself in his utter failure at the Superstars competition.

    Many hwt champions fought with low guard including the best boxer ever to hold the championship Gene Tunney.
     
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  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Have you seen some of the Rockista stuff before you signed to BF24? Its a waste of time. Don´t take this to srsly, however absurd it might get ;)

    There are other threads claiming Rocki would be fighting at HW today lol. Why? "Because the Rock goes where the money is." You´ve read correctly. Arguments from the heroic world. If you wonder where all these 5'10/11" 185pounders are today, instead of going for millions of $, other "explanations" come up:

    - Rocky was something else. He was superhuman. You simply won´t find a man like that at 185 again. He´s so special, that the human race at the exact same median height of men (and Rockys!) simply can´t spawn such beasts anymore! Men where much tougher back then anyway. Anywhere he hit you, he broke something. Arms, shoulders, rips. legs, feet, knees whatever! When that argument (of course) starts to crumble, something else comes up.

    - Rocky nowadays wouldn´t fight at 185! You´ve heard right! The man whose known best for his punch output and stamina, would bulk up to HW if needed to, like everbody does with anabolics anyway. At 5'10/11", he would come at 220 today, because "his frame could affort it". After some common sense and logic and more church cumbling, the argument gets twisted the other way around

    - Its the roids that make this 6'4" - 6'7" available for HW today. Since everybody is using them, and putting them in the timemachine to meet Blockbuster, they would quickly shrink down to 190-200, which is the weight Rocky used to beat. What? Correct! Back in 50s, where have all these SHW hidden? The tall skinnys simply weren´t competitive without the roids!

    By then, the discussion has gone 3 threads apart, and the gang is making a fool of themself in another thread asserting, that men along the 20th century have always been the same height and weight. Nutrition, world wars, more protein at puberty, recording of height and amount of population? Forget it. RBV (Rocksita Brain Virus) seems immune to almost everything.
    What seems to be so simple, is like explaining gravity to an Flatearther.

    But by then, the discussion has gone faaaaaaaaaaaar away with another era-adjusting explanation..…

    Cheers, da Preem :beer-toast1:
     
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  10. HOUDINI

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    It’s very true that the vast majority of the superhwts are roided up to the max. Take away this illegal advantage and you have a fighter unable to recover as quickly from a workout. This leads to a loss of size and strength. The Mr Universe appearance would then transform to tall and lanky
     
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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Sure, like for example the top 3 HWs today:

    - Fury, a musclebound gorilla
    - Wilder, with this tree-like legs
    - Ruiz, with his Schwarzenegger appearance

    …..
     
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  12. 70sFan865

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    Jim Corbett
    Jack Johnson
    Gene Tunney
    Joe Walcott
    Muhammad Ali
    Vitali Klitschko

    All linear HW champions, all fought with low guard for different reasons.
     
  13. janitor

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    Of the three of them, only Fury is a legitimate super heavyweight.
     
  14. mark ant

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    Foreman was able to push Frazier off everytime he got inside, he woul;d do that even easier to the smaller Marciano.
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    AJ`s reach is 82 inches I never thought Foreman had the same length reach, that would be an interesting fact because Wilder`s reach is 83 inches which is a huge part of what makes him so dangerous.