Usyk > Ali. No need to get all butthurt and emotional at me stating Usyk is a heavy upgrade from Ali. Ali was an overrated fraud that fought in a horrible era. Do you seriously want me to show the number of times Ali been hit and caught? And against less than stellar opposition at that? I can assure you it's a lot more than Usyk. Usyk can also keep his hands down at his waist and move his head, evading punches. He prefers to combine athleticism with sound technique, unlike Ali. And no, Ali is not faster than Usyk, nor is he more fluid, nor is he smoother. Ali wasn't even heavier. Ali was a cruiser-weight by today's standard, basically the same weight as what Usyk weighs on fight-night. Usyk's footwork, angles, pivots, side-steps technical skills are all superior to Ali's. No need for an emotional outburst after reading this.
No emotion just going on what I see Ali weighed 210lbs aged 22 without picking up a weight ,usyk aged 22 probably weighed 2 grams lol,usyk his in his early thirties and a gym rat and taking build up powder still won’t weigh over 220 at heavyweight and when he does come in at 215-220 he won’t be moving nowhere near the speeds he was at 198 which you can see are slower than Ali at 212-215 in these clips, Ali went up and down in weight to suit opponents eg still in his twenties in 1971 fighting Frazier at 215 upto 227 to fight Mathis then back down to fight blin at 220 in the same year I don’t know any cruiser weights weighing nearly 230lbs he was a much larger man and faster and better reflexes and better footwork just look at the video again you must be trolling, are you?
Joe Frazier - relentless pressure fighter with great accuracy. He won the crunch contest Mike Tyson - Aggressive, fast but not wasteful with shots like young Foreman Lewis and Wlad - great boxers with power who Ali would struggle to KO or win on points Holmes - beats any version H2H Ali is an ATG top 3 but far from invincible
Toney isn't big enough. A genuinely greaty boxer but carried no power at HW Saying tthat and everything else, his schooling of (albeit 40 year old Holyfield) is a beautiful boxing masterclass
Toney absolutely was big enough. Toney was every bit as big as Joe Frazier. Size is going to be far from a factor in this match-up. Joe Frazier would carry no power against modern heavyweights too. Also, Holyfield > any version of overrated Frazier.
Ha ha, a 'Yeti' or maybe ' the abominable slow man' ha ha. Whatever, it would have been borderline racist, offensive and funny as fu¢k.
No emotion just going on what I see Ali weighed 210lbs aged 22 without picking up a weight ,usyk aged 22 probably weighed 2 grams lol, usyk is in his early thirties and a gym rat and taking build up powder still won’t weigh over 220 at heavyweight and when he does come in at 215-220 he won’t be moving nowhere near the speeds he was at 198 which you can see are slower than Ali at 212-215 in these clips, Ali went up and down in weight to suit opponents eg still in his twenties in 1971 fighting Frazier at 215 upto 227 to fight Mathis then back down to fight blin at 220 in the same year I don’t know any cruiser weights weighing nearly 230lbs he was a much larger man and faster and better reflexes and better footworkjust look at the video again you must be trolling, are you?
Usyk weighs around 210 pounds on fight night AT cruiser-weight. Ali was a big heavyweight during his time, but today, he would be no bigger than modern day cruiser-weights like Usyk and Gassiev. Funny how you mention 220 pounds plus where Ali literally needed fat to weigh that high. Usyk can absolutely weigh 220+ pounds easily with fat. So can many of the modern day cruiser-weights (but they choose to not grow additional fat). Ali also wasn't fleet-footed when he was fat and weighed 220+ pounds. Point is, Usyk already as a cruiser-weight, weighs around the 210 pound mark as it is. At heavyweight, all he'll be doing is simply not dehydrating. So in essence, he'd be EVEN faster at heavyweight than he currently is at cruiser-weight where he has to drain himself to even make weight. Look, Usyk at the very least, is every-bit as big as Muhammad Ali and David Haye in terms of frame-size and arguably even bigger. Compare all three at the same body-fat percentage, you'll find that they are relatively the same weight. Of course a fat Ali that weighed 220+ pounds, is going to be heavier than a skinny Usyk. But you compare them when both were skinny, then it's a different story! And no, Ali really wasn't faster. Nor did he have better footwork. Nor did he have better reflexes. Ali has been hit, dropped and hurt more times than Usyk has. Furthermore, Usyk combines athleticism with technique while Ali only relies on athleticism with horrible fundamentals. That's the biggest difference! If Usyk decided to abandon his fundamentals and only rely on athleticism, I'd guarantee you he'd also look faster and a lot faster than Ali, without any doubt. It's a lot easier to look fast when you're sacrificing technique for speed alone (which is what Ali does). Usyk combines both and still looks every bit as fast, if not faster and that to me is what makes Usyk superior and an upgrade from Ali.
I don’t think we will ever agree on this but Ali s training was all cardio based, training down to make weights of 215 and when older mid to late 220s, and at a very young age . people like Holyfield, haye and now usyk trained for years with weights and most probably peds and had to be in their thirties when you are naturally getting heavier to get anywhere near those weights, also if Ali trained down and on weigh in weighed 215-220 in his mid to late twenties what do you think he weighed on fight night. especially if these cruises are putting on 10lbs on fight night , yes you have guessed it around the same, 10lbs, so therefore Ali is obviously moving around far heavier than those boys. Also Ali wasn’t fat at 227 against Mathis he just didn’t have a gym and ped body because he was naturally bigger and didn’t need it, on the other point usyk hasn’t got the skill and reflexes to abandon his fundamentals as we can see from the video he would get his head taken off with the touching up he was getting, now do you understand or are you going to carry on this delusional idea of trying to make Ali a cruiserweight because you don’t like the idea in many peoples eyes he’s the greatest heavy of all time .
