Could any boxer besides Ali outbox Frazier?

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  1. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Well some on here are convinced Tunney could do it, which, i think, is bonkers.
     
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  2. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    Meh....i think a Lewis / Frazier fight goes a lot like the Lewis/Tua fight went.
    People were saying Tua was gonna be in Lennox's grill all night too
     
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  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe had twice the work rate of Tua, Tua just followed Lewis around, the pace of that fight was slow. Frazier never fought at a slow pace and I still say Lennox's gas tank would register empty around the 12th.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis has the Frazier take out, a huge right Uppercut. He has an ATG jab and a huge size advantage, he has the power and physical strength to hurt and out muscle Joe and the technical skill and ring IQ to dominate him. Every hook that Frazier throws would put him at risk of one of them uppercuts, he'd eventually land a big right hand as well, Lewis beats Frazier and badly, and if Lewis was so inclined he'd KO him early as well
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Very tough call for me. My two favorite HW's Holmes has the jab but I dont think he has the legs. Very tough call. I lean slightly towards Joe. As far as L. Lewis the man is completely overrated. Both these guys would kick his a@@
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I honestly think Tua has the better chin out of them 2, I don't know if Joe could take the early punishment Lewis would dish out
     
  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Call me crazy, but how about Langford? He wasn't just a slugger with brutal punch, he was extremely good boxer with long reach. He could also fight all day, so stamina wouldn't be a problem.
     
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  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well he was even better conditioned than Ali and had better defensive footwork. I'm not sold on his durability though, he's way too unproven.
     
  9. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Holmes would beat him up. The best Holmes is better than any version of Ali in the 70s...a lot more textbook anyway. Better defense, harder and better puncher. Joe would put up a great fight but I have Holmes winning a decision.
     
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  10. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    He is a little overrated H2H. The Ali he beat was far from unbeatable.

    Joe did constant pressure, bobbing right into the chest of his target. Bowe would TKO him.

    Boxers with very good movement, fighting good on the backfoot or defensively in general, would do fine against him. Eventually, Frazier would break a fighter like that down late.
    Good pics against him: Byrd, Holmes, Douglas, Usyk, Tucker, Toney, Walcott, Tillis, Biggs, Wlad (wins rather by KO), Fury.

    To be confident, I´d ony pick Holmes and Fury over 15, the rest might accomplish something over 12.

    Exactly.
    Holmes was the harder puncher too and would beat Frazier up real bad.
     
  11. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    Joe don't hit the canvas against Holmes imo, Frazier could definitely drop Holmes, can he recuperate against Joe though, Shavers he did, but this is an animal once he starts, he could really beat the **** out of Holmes late. Major bangers can ko Joe early, prime though, hes too tough, Holmes isn't a puncher either
     
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  12. GreenLaternSucked

    GreenLaternSucked Member banned Full Member

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    You old guys living in your fantasy world. Frazier was dropped twice by Oscar Bonavena. Lewis not only punched harder, was much bigger,much stronger, and a much better all around fighter. Lewis wouldn't have to out box Frazier. He would just stopped him in a few rounds like Foreman did.
     
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  13. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMO if you KO somebody you outboxed them in order to do so. So I'm not sure if I'm supposed to include people that I think KO him... like Foreman, Lewis and Tyson as examples. If we're strictly talking lasting the distance and winning a decision...... I think Holmes and Holyfield would likely get it done, and possibly even Wlad
     
  14. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Very possible scenario.
     
  15. Blaxx

    Blaxx Member Full Member

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    I like Larry Holmes to possibly get the job done.
    How about Liston and Joe Louis? I think they can do it... Joe would be hard to knock out cold and I think they can outbox him, Joe Louis probably wins wide IMO
     
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