Why Holmes would NOT be better equipped against Frazier than Ali was

Throughout this board, I have seen many people say Holmes was better equipped to fight Frazier than Ali was. Some cite his vaunted uppercut as some sort of anecdote to Frazier, or his jab which was very possibly the greatest in heavyweight history. All good points but I disagree. Here is why.

Ali's jab was a lot more versatile than Holmes was. Unlike Holmes he could change it's direction after throwing it. This would be essential against a pressure fighter like Frazier. His jab (yes even post-exile) was also quicker and thrown more often.

Ali also had better stamina than Holmes and held up much better during 15 rounders. Stamina is a must when facing Smokin' Joe

Ali I believe had a much better defense (maybe not in a technical sense but he was overall much more difficult to hit). Holmes recuperative ability was amazing. The problem was he had to show these abilities a bit to often. Shavers was probably the hardest puncher of all time but he was not skilled by any means. He should not have hit Holmes at all.

Holmes's chin was amazing as well but again not on the level of Ali's. A prime Holmes was floored by a past it Shavers while an old Ali already showing signs of Parkinson's stayed upright against a prime Shavers.

Ali also, despite contrary belief also hit harder than Holmes as well. Norton, and Berbick have both gone on record saying the same thing. Also had the pleasure of speaking to Shavers who also told me Ali hit harder.

These are just a few of the reasons I feel Ali is better equipped against Frazier than Holmes is.

 

Some good points. Here's another particularly important one given we are talking Frazier - no-one ever took it to the body better than Ali. The guy was insane.

There's only one Ali.

 

The last time I checked there was only one George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, ect. Ali lost 3 fights to Ken Norton according to Ali and I will take Ali's word over some guy online. Ali best wins in his career were against a old Sonny Liston and he got lucky against Foreman. I could give you the link where Ali flat out stated he didn't plan to lay against the ropes against Foreman. According to Ali himself Foreman forced him there and his only plan was to hope he didn't get knocked out and hope Foreman got tired. Foreman's ego beat himself and Ali refused a rematch. Ali is extremely overrated by people like you who believe whatever TV tells you.

 

No **** Sherlock. Most will know what i meant and agree.

So what? Ali was well past his greatest by then. As for some guy online i never even mentioned Norton or anything about those fights LOL. You are conversing with yourself on that one and simply looking to criticize. Anyone with any boxing knowledge at all knows it was an Ali well short of what he'd been.

Just for good measure feel free to provide this source where Ali said he lost all three Norton fights.

Well boxing sure ain't your thing is it. Ali lucky against Foreman, just when i thought i'd heard it all. Hater in the house!!!!

Foreman's ego beat him, sure it did. We believe what tv tells us LOL!!!!! Bizarre stuff mate.

Why don't you tell us what username/s you were prior to this one.

 

Lol right because as I typed no other heavyweight boxer was past their prime at 28 or 30 when Ali fought Norton but apparently Ali was past his prime. So you are saying Foreman didn't take Ali seriously? Okay then why did Ali struggle against Doug Jones? Most people ring side had Ali losing. Boxers become arrogant and lose. You honestly believe Buster Douglas was better than Tyson? Joe Louis lost to Max Schmeling their first fight. Wladimir Klitschko was stopped by Ross Purrity. If Ali believed he could beat Foreman against then why didn't he fight him again like he did Norton, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Quarry, Chuvalo, Spinks, and various other fighters?

Clearly boxing isn't your thing. You just repeat idiot crap you heard other people say and think that makes you a expert. Maybe stick to soccer or some other sport that is easier for you to follow.

 

I just looked at some of your posts since you sudden emergence/re-emergence and i will leave you to others to carve up. I highly doubt your stay will be long.

 

Cute I will just ignore you because you bore me. Go cry over your TV hero Ali some more. You aren't worth typing to.

 

For me it's mostly Ali unreal durability as far as taking punches to the body. Nobody could be punished so much for leaving his body against Frazier and stand still.

That's why Ali is a nightmare to fight. Other cute boxers with quick feet could be slowed down by body shots, but Ali didn't care about them.

 

2 weeks max but far more likely to be one or less. Watch this space

 

I think he likes you JT. He didn’t call you a “casual”.

I’m giving it 3 days before the muppet is banned again.

 

LMAO!!!!!! I'm in your camp.

 

Agree with almost everything except the jab I felt not only was Larry's all around better but more versatile.
I though Ali had better more mobile legs

 

Do you have a source saying Ali lost all three of his fights with Norton? Because Ali said he won his latter fights against Norton. Norton as well said the first 2 were close and could've gone either way.

 

He used to let sparring partners hit him on the body mercilessly to develop immunity.