Spence and Crawford both destroying Pacquiao easily. Still Pac > Floyd.

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  1. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    I don't even like Spence or Crawford. But everyone who thinks Pac has a chance vs. Spence or Crawford is either a Spence / Crawford hater or just delusional.

    Spence vs. Pacquiao will be a repeat of Spence vs. Mikey, just Pac not running from Spence and because of that he will get stopped brutally mid/late rounds. Spence is too big for small Pac at 147.

    Crawford vs. Pacquiao ends in a boxing lesson, probably 12-0 rounds for Bud, maybe 10-2/9-3 if he starts slow like he did sometimes. Crawford has much better footwork than Thurman and better ring iq, no way he gets caught like Thurman was in Round 1. Crawford also the superior jab compared to Thurman.

    I don't think those fights will happen anyway. Pac deserves BIG credit for fighting a guy like Thurman at age of 40. Thurman from the Danny fight is 100% world class, A level fighter. I don't think he has it anymore after long layoff, several injuries (Shoulder, elbow, knee) and surgeries. He's still Top 5 but on the lower end. I probably would rank Ugas before Thurman right now, especially after last two fights.

    If Pac is smart he's taking one more fight in the US, another big but winnable fight. I think about Lipinets, Ugas or maybe even Danny although Danny might be touger test than past prime Thurman after several injuries and sugeries. Then big farewell fight in Saudi Arabia or Asia vs. some random bum like Khan who can sell out a big venue there or maybe even a rematch with Floyd for a last big payday.

    Anyway....

    PAC > FLOYD
     
  2. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Resume wise yeah, but otherwise Floyd is the better fighter.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree that Crawford has a good ring IQ and a better jab. He's also more fundamentally sound than Thurman, but Thurman is more explosive. Footwork is debtable. Crawford was wobbled a few times vs Khan. Thurman can move with his feet faster than Bud. Bud is generally more stable on his feet but also more basic.

    Thurman is a much more flashy puncher than Bud and frankly I think Thurman hits a lot harder than Bud. I could see Thurman getting marked up vs Bud but would catch Bud with some big shots. Bud is not nearly as elusive as Thurman.
     
  4. Chuck Norris

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    When was Crawford stunned in the Khan fight? Do you mean the Gamboa bout?
     
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  5. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Thurman might be more explosive than Bud, can't argue against that, but imo Thurman is definitely defensively flawed. Bud has much better defence so i am not sure if Thurman catches him before he's caught by Bud. Not sure who hits harder. Bud no big puncher for sure, but i think his power is underrated. I don't think Khan rocked Bud though.
     
  6. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    I was talking about legacy though. Agree that Floyd is the better fighter. Prime Floyd was nearly untouchable. Different styles.
     
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  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thurman fights more like RJJ while Bud fights more like Hopkins. I'm not saying Thurman is as fast or as dominant as RJJ was in his prime, but he sort of fights like RJJ did to an extent, using his quick feet, landing explosive punches, etc while Bud is more basic like Hopkins not as explosive but very tight defensively and good at everything. But I gotta be honest, I like Thurman's chances against Bud. I think he could outpoint Bud, and dance circles around him and I'm not convinced Bud could drop Keith like Pac did.
     
  8. bandeedo

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    pac was always a better fighter than floyd, not better boxer, but definitely better fighter. pac is smaller than floyd, so their exploits are not equal. one was always punching his way up to greatness, the other was punching down.
     
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    He wasn't really stunned but Bud was wobbled momentarily and he sort of lost his balance for a moment.
     
  10. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Prime Keith has good chance to beat Bud. Yeah. But i think Keith is past his prime. He had several big fights and fought great opposition, then had a long layoff, several injuries and surgeries. I am not sure if Keith is still able to bring what he was able to bring vs. Danny for example. IMO Keith from Danny fight would beat both Spence and Crawford. Most likely.
     
  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    No way pacman is better fighter than floyd. You only need to watch their fight to realize it, actually. But even if you dont, it's pretty obvious that floyd is much better fighter than pacman.
     
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  12. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    The problem with thurman is his inactivity periods. You cannot stay on the top of the sport with inactivity periods, easy as that. He adjusted at the end of the fight, but you could easily tell in the first rounds that thurman has been fighting bums and mediocre-at-best sparring parterns for a long long while. You cannot fight that kind of crap and suddendly step into the ring with pacquiao.

    Nevertheless I expected more from thurman, and I thought that he would win, pacman proved me wrong.
     
  13. bandeedo

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    what? you werent aware keith was inactive before the fight?
    i was aware, picked pac to beat him. easy as that.
     
  14. tinman

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    Mayweather is a better fighter than Pacquiao the same way Carl Froch is better than Mayweather.
     
  15. shadow111

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    It's not impossible but it's hard to do for sure. SRL came off 3 years of inactivity and only 1 fight in 5 years before stepping in with Hagler and beating Hagler. It's hard to stay on top through periods of inactivity but not impossible.