Rivas stock just went up?

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  1. GreenLaternSucked

    GreenLaternSucked Member banned Full Member

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    Dillian Whyte is a slow lumbering oaf. Rivas is a slow PED looking oaf. Neither one has much skill. Somebody has to win this fight. It doesn't mean either one is good or either one of their stock went up.
     
  2. GreenLaternSucked

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    Right if that is the case wouldn't ever boxer just get fat so they can punch harder? Tyson Fury weighs 250 plus and isn't a big puncher. Mike Tyson was much shorter and much lighter and was a much bigger puncher.
     
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  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Welcome to the Forum
     
  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Any professional fighter over 200 pounds can hit "hard enough" if it lands clean, assuming obviously he ain't a 6 foot 8 200 pound cruiser... unless he is Deontay Wilder... oh snap.
     
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    Wilder isn't 6'8 he is 6'6 and Wilder weighed as high as 230 pounds but gets lighter because he tries to stay in shape. So I don't know what you are trying to type. So my point still stands. Every 200 pound isn't a big puncher. Every 200 pound guy can't knock old world class guys who have good chins. If that was the case all heavyweight bouts would end in knock out.
     
  6. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Wilder is not 6'6, and he weighed as low as 212... besides the "over 200 pound" statement was from Wlad Klitchko himself, who knows a bit more than you do in boxing.
     
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  7. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    Not really. Tyson Fury isn't a banger by any means, but still has the ability to put people over with accurate, well leveraged single shots and combos. And you have a guy, Deontay Wilder, who came in at 212.5lbs for the Fury fight (less than Mike Tyson's prime fighting weight of around 218lbs), and, for my money, hits harder than Mike Tyson did with one shot, and is possibly the most destructive one punch hitter throughout Heavyweight history.
     
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  8. dealt_with

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    Rivas is a very good boxer. This is a guy who easily beat Andy Ruiz as an amateur. He is powerful and extremely strong, he could knock out anyone on the right night. He has very good stamina and punch fluidity, but people will still look at his muscles and think that’s an impediment for his boxing game. His biggest flaw is his predictability, his tempo is too one dimensional.
    Whyte deserves a lot of credit for that win.
     
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    Fat doesn’t contribute to power, that’s not contractile mass. The only way fat could help is to lower the centre of gravity and help stabilise/balance the body for greater transfer of power. A tall guy who is fat/soft isn’t going to be a puncher for that reason.
     
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  10. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. It still annoys me that things like elbows and back hands he brings in when he starts getting pressed seem to be point scoring for him, he may be in for a rude awakening if he ends up going and fighting Wilder in the US and is expected to fight closer to the rules but that aside I was definitely thinking this was the best performance I've seen from him - definitely has been refining his game.
     
  11. Saintpat

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    Depends on your top 10, haha.

    Using Boxrec for convenience’s sake, he maybe beats Povetkin (who may or may not be planning to fight again), depending on if the Russian’s heart is still in it and he decides to go forward; maybe Pulev, who is basically just durable.

    Lower than that I could see him beating Washington, maybe Breazeale, Chisora (who is a journeyman), Hammer, that level. But I could also see him struggling with some guys at that level. He’d be an interesting opponent for Usyk who probably coasts to a decision but has to work for it.

    Do you think he’s top five? Top 10? Top 20?
     
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  12. GreenLaternSucked

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    Tyson Fury can knock out guys who are bums. Fury has never knocked out a world class fighter in his career. Lol yeah Deontay Wilder is the hardest puncher in boxing history because he knocked out Breazeale. Are you a 15 year old kid or something? Wilder couldn't knock down Johann Duhaupus and took 11 rounds to stop him on his feet. Alexander Povetkin knocked Duhaupas down and out. Wilder took 9 rounds to knock out fat Eric Molina. Joshua did it in 3 and Chris Arreola did it in 1 , years before Wilder. Wilder took 9 round to stop a washed up Arreola. Bermaine Stiverne did it much easier. Adam Kownacki knocked out Artur Szpilka and Gerald Washington easier than Wilder did. Wilder took 4 rounds to knock out the 17-20 Harold Sconier and got knocked down by him. Stiverne almost killed Sconier in 1 round. Should I continue? Wilder's best wins so far in his career was against Luis Ortiz. A guy so old he lived when dinosaurs roamed the Earth.
     
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  13. Mitch87

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    Style wise he could prove akward tests for Ortiz and Wilder.

    I would back all of Ruiz, AJ, Whyte, Fury, Povetkin, Parker, Pulev Hunter and Hrgovic against him.

    Rivas vs Chisora, DDD or Joyce would be entertaining.

    Rivas would brutally KO kownacki who is in the ring top 10.
     
  14. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    Just because those people knocked out or stopped common opponents quicker than Wilder, doesn't necessarily mean they hit harder than him.

    Let's take David Price as an example: Tony Thompson the first time and Erkan Teper beat Price by TKO2 and KO2 respectively. If your above argument is such a truism then you are suggesting, in a roundabout manner, that they hit harder than Povetkin, who beat Price by KO5.
     
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  15. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Taking nothing away from Whyte Rivas was just doing the same thing round after round (like Jennings) until it worked.. Whyte got up and Rivas was back at square one..

    I was expecting more from Rivas tbh.. Those steroid infused traps really help protect his chin....
     
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