Could any fighter Ali`s size or smaller have beaten him?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Could any fighter 6'2 or under have beaten Ali if they were the same weight as he was at his heaviest or lighter?
     
    mark ant, Jul 22, 2019
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Erm Joe Frazier
     
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    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Marciano and Louis

    Frazier has a good chance as well
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Jul 22, 2019
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    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why do you always gravitate to size, weight, reach? These are the last things you should be looking at in the hwt division.

    Smaller fighters did the best vs Ali as they could better match Ali’s speed. Ali dominated the large, strong, long reach hwts he fought as he was too quick for these men to catch.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Do you think Frazier benefitted from being a few pounds lighter than Ali in their first bout? If they had weighed exactly the same in that bout would the result have been different?
     
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    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Makes absolutely no difference.

    Think SKILL, SPEED, PUNCHING POWER, DETERMINATION, DURABILITY, WILL TO WIN.

    These factors are key not whether one hwt weighs more or has a longer reach or has bigger biceps.

    Concentrate on the attributes that are key for success.

    As one example it’s not reach that’s important it’s how you use your reach. It’s how well you can make your style dominate over an opponents style.
     
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    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i heard Ali say Marciano

    dont believe me?

    This content is protected
     
    redrooster, Jul 22, 2019
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    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Best chances to beat prime Ali?

    Dempsey
    Tunney
    Louis
    Marciano
    Frazier
     
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    Tom Sharkey had the kind of pluck a show pony like Ali could never deal with.
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The Post Modern Fight Fan will never understand these defining factors in the heavyweight division:

    1. Pluck
    2. Chutzpah
    3. Mettle
    4. Resolve
    5. Fortitude
    6. Spunk
    7. Moxie
    8. Gumption
    9. Spine
    10. Grit

    Tom Sharkey, Rocky Marciano, Tommy Burns, Marvin Hart, Jack Root, Mexican Pete Everett... the list that could beat Ali based on the above 10 factors is almost endless.
     
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    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both Frazier and Leon Spinks DID beat Ali.
     
    GoldenHulk, Jul 22, 2019
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Don't forget Young, Shavers and Berbick
     
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    and if we want to go by weight then Norton and Holmes also.
     
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    Doug Jones by all accounts as well
     
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    If Jimmy Young hadn't been so risk adverse he could have outpointed Ali. The judges were turned off by his ducking through the ropes and negative tactics. He befuddled Ali.
     
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