Jack Dempsey vs Shannon the Cannon Briggs

No there is not "plenty" of counter examples among thousands of fighters building an environment. Its inductive reasoning par excellence picking some light punching, or by style not agressive fighting big men, mixing it up with the fact that bigger heads and bigger necks acc. less getting punched, making another corr. with size and better chin:

"On the receiving end, a person is knocked out by the acceleration of the head injuring the brain. A heavier person would absorb the momentum of a punch with less velocity. So his brain would not be bounced around as much as a lighter person's would."

Dempseys and Rockys power wouldn´t translate into the same effect fighting at modern HW. Dempseys "power" is based on beeing unable putting a HW away, the guy of course suffering injurys in the process. Sorry guys.

On higher weightclasses, the power*chin level is risen, as proved above. Thats a fact. Stop bullshitting. Its not the same fighting Walcotts, Charles, Moores and Tunneys than Lewis, Briggs, Klitschkos or Tuas. In professional pro boxing the avarage punching power as well as the chin is very well corr. with weight.

Are you guys telling me Dempsey hit as hard as Lewis, or Carpentier, Gibbons, Tunney or Sharkey hit as hard as Briggs? Dempsey did not face these sort of condition. Period.

 

We are talking hwts. Dempsey, Louis etc could KO any opponent no matter their weight.

 

Dempsey didn´t. His opponents median weight was 191. 8 boxers above 200, 4 above 210.

 

It's not really ignorance. Sure Louis hit harder than Carnera. But did he hit harder than Lennox Lewis? Dempsey hit harder than Willard. But did he hit harder than Sonny Liston? Sometimes the smaller man punches harder than the bigger man, but most times he doesn't. It's that simple. So yea size does matter. Take 10 190 lbs fighters and 10 240 lbs fighters. If 5 of the 190s lbs fighters punch harder than 240 lbs fighters, then size really doesn't matter. It's a toss up basically. But that will never be the case. You can look at today's fighters or previous fighters. Probability = likelihood of a given event's occurrence. More often than not, bigger man punches harder. Case closed.

 

Well to be fair, weight matters less the more you increase in size. At about 175-180, the returns can start to become diminishing and definitely at 200 and up. Patterson who was 190ish pounds was a harder puncher than 210-215 pound Ali, for example. He may have been an equal to or slightly greater than puncher than Ken Norton.

Pure skill usually increases the more you go down in weight. That's why the most skilled weight classes tend to be welterweight to light heavyweight, but again, the returns can also become diminishing the smaller you get.

 

Let's go champ

 

That is literally what we're saying

What GPC was insinuating was that the larger man ALWAYS hits harder than the smaller man, which is provably false

 

My bad, didn't read it thoroughly. But in this case, I do think Briggs hit harder.

Edit: Read it thoroughly. GPC didn't say "always".

 

Jack Sharkey stated Dempsey hit harder than Joe Louis.

Being able to punch hard is based upon technique, speed AND weight. Oh so many big men can’t take a punch such as Wlad. Lest we not forget Lewis was knocked out by singular blows twice. Oh so many big fighters can’t punch very hard such as Tex Cobb. Gravitating to weight as a reason a hwt punches hard is amateur time. It’s the last and easiest thing to consider in the hwt division.

 

Did you get anything of my post?
HOUDINI made a rule, not me!
I made deductive reasoning and showed above that you can´t compare Durans punching qualities in Michael Spinks devision.
As you can´t Dempseys or Rockys. Their punching qualities would change dramatically getting up (plus beeing under heavier artillery themselves!).

 

Like Foreman against Frazier?

 

So he actually proved he could beat modern sized HWs.

 

Such a brilliant settlement

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...r-47-unhindered-punches.634557/#post-20001790

Seems like you perfectly belong here

 

At almost 50 years old.

 

You're only as old as you feel