Breaking: AJ/Ruiz II Officially Confirmed for Dec. 7th in Saudi Arabia, $84 million pot

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Anthony Joshua vs. Andy Ruiz II, who wins?

  1. Anthony Joshua Points

    17.5%
  2. Anthony Joshua KO

    37.3%
  3. Draw

    0.6%
  4. Andy Ruiz Points

    3.0%
  5. Andy Ruiz KO

    41.6%
  1. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I mean you can't blame him for not wanting to fight over there. But if its in the contract he probably does not have much of a choice.
     
  2. JacobEr

    JacobEr Member Full Member

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    These are different cases, it is always quite clear with Ruiz that he has signed a contract and must follow this contract. If he breaks the contract, he will lose money, time and his reputation in court, and during this time he will become thicker and will probably end his career in boxing. But, of course, Ruiz can copy Fury, refuse from rematch and $ 9 million, drop belts and claim about finish his career.
     
  3. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Erm, no, not even close. It only takes a quick google search to see what the Ali Act is about. If anything, Haymon would be the one in breach in this case, as it could be argued he's not looking out for Ruiz interests knowing that by reneging on this deal he will not only lose the belts, but likely be left penniless, all the while the belts go vacant and he can use his influence to get Wilder immediate shots at them.

    The 10% is totally irrelevant, that's the deal he signed before the FIRST fight. Lets not forget he was 'given' a shot, he didn't earn mandatory position with any of these governing bodies, so he was given a massive opportunity and now he's looking to throw it away for a quick buck? It's insanely naive and borderline stupid, because if he back out he loses everything. No belts, no payday, gets sued (likely loses his previous purse and then some) and this would effectively see this 29 year old in his prime spend the next several years not being able to fight whilst he's tied up in a long legal battle. Matchroom would happily drag it out too and if you think the likes of Al Haymon will put their dollars and might to back Ruiz then you're on another planet.
     
  4. madballster

    madballster VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't understand this: I am supposed to not blame some entitled, fat millennial who thinks he doesn't have to fulfil an agreement he has signed? One that earned him $5 million in the first fight and $9 million in the second?

    Am I supposed to feel sorry for this poor 450 lbs fat idiot for being asked to fight in Saudi Arabia and collect the highest purse of his life time?
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You shouldn't feel sorry for him at all.

    You should respect the way he's standing up to the status quo and calling out this a side bs for what it really is.

    It's something I'd love to see across boxing tbh, champions refusing to take a smaller purse than their challengers.
     
  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    naah, youre just suppose to deal with it.:smoking:
     
  7. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In today’s boxing climate, if you lose as champ you are entitled to rig the game as much as humanly possible in order to win the belts back, forget earning another shot after pretty much quitting. It’s a bit of a joke really but I’d prefer Ruiz just got on with this and beat AJ again, he has the ability to do it. Sounds like he has signed the contract so not much h can do now anyway, apart from overwhelming AJ with fast combos putting him on his ass again.
     
  8. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    If he wasnt happy with the deal, then he shouldn't have taken the first fight. He could have instead done what everyone else has to do and earn a mandatory position.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Orrrrr, he does whatever he needs to secure his title shot, knocks out the unified titlist and then kindly let's the former titlist know the game has now changed.

    Why should a challenger ever get more money than a title holder, they shouldn't. It's one of the things wrong with boxing today.

    Realistically speaking the fight will still go ahead and AJ will still get more money than Ruiz, but due to Ruiz's stance the fight is no longer in the UK and Ruiz will get more money than he originally signed up for. He's being proactive and that will earn him a few extra million.

    I wish I could earn a few extra million tbh.
     
  10. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    The morality of the issue is basically irrelevant, because he signed a contract which I'm assuming he was more than happy with at the time. That's basically all there is to it. He was presented with an opportunity, he didn't earn it, so everything else is mute. If he didn't like the deal offered, then all he needed to do was not sign the contract or negotiate at the time a better deal... but he didn't, so it is what it is.

    What does a mandatory challenger get, 25%? Ruiz wasn't even in that position, so is 10% fair? The answer is, "it doesn't matter" in the context of this, because that's what he and his team agreed to. Put another way, you dont generally get offered a job, take the job on whatever salary you agreed then moan about it once you start and demand more. If that happens in the real world what would happen is that your employer would simply cut their losses and let you go in the probation period with no financial penalty. In this case, the penalty would be all on Ruiz side in the form of litigation for backing out of a deal he AND his team agreed to and gleefully signed.

    Other thing to consider is that if Ruiz does renege on this deal, then do you think future opponents and promoters will want to deal with this guy? Likely not.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You answered your own post in your first sentence.

    The morality is moot.

    So what if he signed a contract, now he wants more money and guess what, he's gonna get it.
     
  12. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    What I take of this:

    Ruiz dosn't think he can win a decision unsless he gets Wilders show in the good ole usa..

    He doesn't think he will tko him either cause why would he worry about judges...

    He needs to be a true fighting man like Fury and go into the opponants back yard.

    Sounds like a scared little kid who got lucky and realises the gravity of the situation...

    P.S. More robberies happen ing the USA than anywhere else.. Vegas is the home of the robbery..
     
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  13. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Because of the 40 mil that is on the table?
     
  14. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make then in that case. Because it might be morally wrong what's happening, but it doesn't really matter, he's agreed and signed a contract to rematch, so if he wants more money, then that's down to Matchroom/Joshua. If they decide they dont want to giver a bigger slice of the pie, then objectively speaking, they can do that and legally there's nothing Ruiz' team can do. Sure they can back out of the deal, but then that ends up with a huge legal battle, the belts go vacant and Joshua's career continues whilst Ruiz is left in limbo while it plays out.
     
  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He also have to paid for brrach of contract and forfeit ia big big money. Probably more than his ever earn. Then he will get his a.. sued and will have to paid even more. At the end he will be happy if he can call it a day with 0 money in his pocket.