Top 10 middleweights

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  1. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Excellent list as usual, Chris.
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Can you explain the reasoning? I can't see GGG above Hopkins given that they have a title run of equal length (and that's even up for debate) but Hopkins undoubtedly did it against better guys
     
  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I like basing H2H not longevity
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    Maybe a good way to do it to to list a who beats who list, a who fought the best completion list, and who had the most title defense list and take an average of the three?
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Monzon had no inside game and a little slow, and worse, no big punch to bail him out if he falls behind on points

    Roy Jones is sure to outpoint him

    and what's Hopkins doing ranked above him?
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not a H2H list and I rank Jones at SMW and LHW.

    Jones didn't have 20 title defences at MW
     
  7. Greb & Papke 707

    Greb & Papke 707 Active Member Full Member

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    Is Nonpareil Jack Dempsey on anyone’s list? Supposed to be nearly unbeatable at his peak
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good shout I haven't even considered him
     
  9. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Weightwise he was more of a Welter though.

    Guess it depends if George is going by division classing strictly or weight.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Doesn't really matter. I checked his résumé and I don't think that's worthy of top 20 in either division
     
  11. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins gets overrated because of his faulty defense total. He wasn't the champ until he defeated Trinidad, which puts his total at 6. Even if you count the alphabet stuff, a No Contest is not a successful defense. That means 19 is the mark, not 20. The proliferation of alphabet soups has warped perception and given higher status to guys who don't deserve it. None of this is to say Hopkins wasn't great, however.

    Another thing that strikes me as odd with some here is that some have Mickey Walker and sometimes Mike Gibbons in their top-10, a clear indication Harry Greb fought and defeated superior competition, yet he falls below Monzon or Hagler. That's discounting that Tiger Flowers is likely in their top-20, stacking the deck in Greb's favor further.

    If this is a head-to-head thing, I can understand, though I think it's worth being real careful about.
     
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  12. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Excellent post.
     
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  13. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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    This week...

    Harry Greb
    Carlos Monzon
    Ray Robinson
    Marvin Hagler
    Mickey Walker
    Charley Burley
    Jack Dempsey NP
    Marcel Cerdan
    Mike Gibbons
    Stanley Ketchel
    Tony Zale
    Freddie Steele
    Bernard Hopkins
    Les Darcy
    Sumbu Kalambay
    James Toney
    Ken Overlin
    Joey Giardello
    Billy Papke
    Gene Fullmer
     
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  14. Arminius1

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    Marcel Cerdan was apparently a real good fighter unfortunately his reign as champion didn't last long. I read somewhere that he was thought to have the skills to be SRR.
     
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  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I cannot argue with this list, maybe flip Hagler and Monzon. After looking at this I'd like to see Zale and Gennedy Golovkin , good call on B-Hop.