Who has the greater legacy: Pacquiao or Floyd?

It has been hard for CJ this couple of years, Mayweather schooled Pacquiao, Ward stopped Kova and Canelo beat ggg Lmfao

 

Old Daffy Duck quacking, Underwear soiling terrified at the sight of a real fighter FlIVd ROFLMAO he'll never live that down

 

It really has and it has broken him mentally and ruined his life. He has an excuse for all three of those fights. He's the biggest crybaby and excuse maker I've seen on this forum and that's saying something. The guy is emotionally destroyed. These loses have effected his well being and i love it!

 

It was bad for boxing NEITHER of your three clowns legitimately won those fights They all three had to rely on corruption for their wins

 

Go to bed and dream about a pac win over pbf because that's the closest you'll ever get to one.

 

Bull feces!!!!

 

But Pimple My fighter wasnt the coward that pooped his pants in fear when confronted by a real FIGHTERwas he? That was your POS idol frightened Floyd Mayweather ROFL
Goodnight Pimple sleep well if you can

 

Your fighter got a boxing lesson and lost 7 times in his career pbf>pac.

 

LMFAO

 

Alot of people are still having a hard dealing with the outcome of PAC vs FMJ. Its really sad.

 

Just look year by year at where fellow boxers, trainers, insiders, plus writers, and even fans all ranked them compared to each other. You can't rewrite all that documented history no matter how much the bad guy won.

 

Dude you can cry until you're blue in the face, it will not change the fact Pac lost, and has not beat the best fighter of his era period. Crying about Mayweather isn't going to change a thing...lol. So save your tears for another fighter. Pac had his chance and failed failed failed...lol. Maidana, De la Hoya, and Cotto fought a better fight then Pac did against Mayweather, and that's Pac fault, no one elses. The difference is none of those fighters complain when they lost, and Floyd fought a De la Hoya who was almost if not 165lbs on fight night.

 

We tried to tell him this but to no avail. FMJ did what he always does in the fight. Control range and distance and lowers his opponent output. It was PAC's job to make the fight and he wanted no part of that after that first crisp clean counter in the 1st minute of the fight. What happened to the "angles" and "in and out movement". He had no plan B and that allowed FMJ to cruise to a WIDE UD. PAC never pushed FMJ and that is HIS fault. TBH it really looked like one of his easier fights.

 

Nah, you weren't objective and here's why.

"Manny from 126-140lbs Typically came in at a heavier weight fight night than Floyd does. take Pac day before vs Diaz 134 1/2. rehydrates up to 147-or 2 weight classes. For those who say they don't like weight bullies. That is a significant weight increase on under 24 hours."

Diaz 148, Pac 147.

You used a bout where Pacman was outweighed to paint him as a "weight bully."

This whole argument here even if factually true, which is doubtful doesn't make a lick of sense. So what if at a particular division, Pacman weighed more than Mayweather did when he was in that division. Ugh...that is a painful sentence and what one would call grasping for straws.

To argue weight bully, you would have to examine the advantage they had over their opponents. I'm not even interested in doing that, I think anyone truly being objective would note neither man probably ever had a significant weight advantage over their opponents. And yeah, Mayweather usually enjoyed a significant reach advantage over most of his opponents. That's not a fault, just the facts.

"As far as JMM per Floyd's catchweight? No title fight and Foyd didnt use size to push or muscle Juan, he just outboxed him.
Against Cotto, DLH, Mosley--- PBF came in the lighter fighter. "

The Marquez stuff is bad given Floyd broke a weight agreement, and May's size was certainly a factor, especially his punching power which was hurting Marquez and even dropped him. Come on, of course the weight helped Mayweather, that's why he did it.

Regarding those other fights, yeah Mayweather was the smaller guy I'd say. That doesn't invalidate the Marquez criticism.

"Pac fights DLH & Hatton coming off a loss to Floyd Their wins were Forbes & Malinaggi.
Fought Rito coming off a TKO to Mosey.
Fought Clottey who came off a lost to Cotto. 2x he fights for a title at catchweight Cotto & Rito.
Title Fightsac 19-4-2 per boxrec & wiki. Floyd is 26-0"

So you criticize Pac opponents for losing to May....no real in depth analysis. For a post supposedly objectively comparing their careers, you really don't seem to be doing anything but poking fun at a few Pac fights.

How about giving Pac credit for fighting Hatton in the division he was lineal Champion of?

Why no mention of Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir in one of May's signature wins?
Or mention that DLH didn't do crap before fighting May either...


"Pac is one of the few greats that never won more than one title at a time & I'm not sure how that happened. Not like he belonged to a promoter with few in the stable. Plus Pac name has always generated A side ...so how does a great fighter in 6 to 8 weight classes contain other fighters that had belts...& he can only get one? Only wants one per time?"

Pac didn't collect trinkets because he was recognized as the lineal Champion in 5 different divisions.

Sasukal, Flyweight
Barrera, Featherweight
Marquez 2, Super Feather
Hatton, Junior Welter
Bradley III, Welter

I think your criticism is hollow when considering this historical achievement.


"Pac has lost each time he fought for multiple belts.
Pac has shown throughout his career, counter punchers significantly reduce his punch output.
Floyd has shown throughout his career he dictates the punch output of himself and his foe, that is the definition of Ring Generalship, IMO.
PBF has the greatest connect rate per offense and the lowest hit rate per defense.
PBF has been dropped 1x ( a scraped glove on the canvas causing a standing 8) Pac has been KTFO'd 3x. 2draws (one draw IMO was bogus Pac should've won it)"

Nitpicking flaws for one guy, nitpicking achievements for another with no clear scale established. There's not even a real comparison going on here. Not the best way to appear objective.

An objective comparison would be the establishment of a relevant factual measurement and applying it fairly to both guys. This is easy so pay attention...

May has 0 losses
Pacman has 7 losses
advantage: May

And maybe you can throw some context in here like...2 of those Pac losses were clear robberies, and I think Mayweather probably deserved at least one loss. Pac also has more losses because he took more risks in a longer career.

May has 49 wins
Pacman has 62 wins
advantage: Pac

Some more context...Pac has more wins..but Mayweather did defeat him when they fought. Pac also has more wins because he had a longer career, Mayweather fought and beat more Champions....this isn't hard.

"There is little comparison per legacy wise. "

I can see an argument for either guy, both are universally recognized as two of the best all time, and two of the best of their respective eras. It boils down to Quantity vs Quality. Pac has more achievements, May has less blemishes. Always a difficult comparison..but then again I'm being objective here.

 

Yes, I was objective. It is your opinion that I am not. But we're here to debate so NP.

No sir, I just stated he came in 2 classes heavier in 24 hours. Flip the script, what reason should a person weighing 147 on fight night, decide to not fight at that weight? Is there a legit reason for you, if so please explain.
Plus I was acknowledging (for those who claim weight bullies exist...should tread carefully if using a term to describe others...
Maybe they will think similar of themselves doing it...even their favorites...like Pac) I've never painted Pac as one. Just stating facts. @130 he came in over 138. @ 135 he averaged about 140 @ 140 he came in at 147. Fighting for 154 he came in around 147.

NP, that one is you, literally. One.

Yes it was. I agree. Just pointing out that he didn't fight for titles that way, but Pac did. For you to not acknowledge could be considered subjective. In other words you are literally doing to PBF, what I did to Pac. I painted my side, one side, favoring Floyd then listed why. Difference is, I didn't call u out for it, but am now.

None was needed. I just acknowledged what I saw was a trend. Had Floyd fought those Pac had beaten, only you can say if you would've pointed it out or let it be.

No need, here is why: Who has the greater legacy: Pacquiao or Floyd?
My post was responding to this thread. Had this thread been labeled "What makes Pac great, then I would have as I was & still am an admirer of Pac. Just didnt see a need to write about what makes him great...anymore than U listed here -giving Floyd credit, so, sir: Did U give credit to Floyd on this thread?

I'm sorry and what was your example here, that I may learn of how to objectively state on this thread who U favored, while giving praise to both? Again I didn't
respond here to praise him I responded to give my answer on the two.

No problem, as I think your criticism is personal. I attack posts, not posters.

Me too. I just chose one over the other. I thought that was the purpose of this thread.