D. Wilder and T. Hearns..comparisons

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  1. 80s champs

    80s champs Active Member Full Member

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    Two different eras and weight divisions.Yet very similar..Pound for pound..say Hearns in the welterweight and Wilder in his heavyweight...who was the more effective puncher?
     
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  2. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not to me ...Wilder is more like his Coach Mark Breland than anything else. Thomas Hearns had really fast hands ..and threw combos . He also had a great left hook to the body .
     
  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Nothing alike. Wilder doesn't posses 1/10th of the skill Hearns displayed. Yes hes a hard and fast rt hand puncher but that's as close as it gets
     
  4. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thomas Hearns would never be outboxed the way Wilder was against Fury
     
  5. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A heavyweight Thomas Hearns? ...Lennox Lewis says hello
     
  6. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No comparison at all, Wilder has a big punch and nothing else whereas Hearns had a big punch as well as great skills.
     
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  7. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is garbage and a piece of crap and Hearns is an all-time great and a gentleman. No comparison.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not very similar. They have 1 thing in common and that's that they both have pfp ATG right hands. Hearns was the better puncher and the much better fighter. But Wilder is probably the pfp harder puncher
     
  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Well put!
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, Wilder is certainly the more effective puncher. He's knocked down everyone he's faced as pro. And stopped all but one.

    Wilder's managed to be a more effective puncher even though Hearns was the bigger man in most of his pro fights, while everyone Wilder has fought since he became a contender and won a title has significantly outweighed him. I think the last time Wilder outweighed an opponent was seven or eight years ago.

    That said, Hearns had the far better jab. He relied on it. It was a true weapon. Wilder doesn't rely on the jab at all.

    Hearns also had better boxing fundamentals when it came to punch variety, but Wilder is better with his feet at controlling the distance, staying out of range, and closing the distance in a second or two.

    Aside from punching power and jabs and footwork, Wilder has the better endurance and better chin than Hearns. Wilder tends to keep his foot on the gas and can stop people late. If Hearns didn't get you early, he tended to back off and pace himself so he didn't gas out.

    They are definitely two of the most exciting fighters to come around in the last 50 years. Not much separating them at all, really, in terms of talent.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

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    He didn't drop Duhaupas. And his opposition is pathetic compared to most champions let alone ATGs like Hearns. In terms of skills (accuracy, power variety, set ups, timing ect.) Hearns >>>>>> Wilder
    In height. He weighed roughly the same. Wilder was also taller than most of his opponents.
    Wilder's feet are no where near as good as Hearns. Against Cuevas Hearns was absolutely rapid at closing the distance to get the KD. Wilder is probably on the same level pfp but his feet aren't nearly as good as Tommy's.
    Chin is probably equal pfp but Wilder has the better stamina
     
  12. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Similarities: Huge power in both.
    Differences: Only one can box.
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    And only one has a chin.

    People feel Wilder can be outboxed. Nobody really expects him to lose by knockout anymore, though. His chin isn't a negative.

    After the first Leonard fight, there was always a question around Hearns of whether he could survive a war, and Steward kept him away from fighters who could "war" with him for the most part (other than Hagler and Barkley). Steward wouldn't even let guys at Kronk "war" with Hearns in the gym. Steward knew.

    Hearns' biggest "deficiency" (he didn't have many) may have been his ability to take a punch. And he wasn't fighting guys who outweighed him by 40 pounds.
     
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  14. Pat M

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    good post! Wilder's foot speed is one of the things that separates him. He punches hard, but he also uses his quick feet to get within range quick and to get angles that heavyweights are not used to seeing. Wilder's endurance is also something that separates him from others. Most punchers fatigue quick, Wilder carries his power for 12 rounds. He and Fury have changed my opinion of giant heavyweights, I used to think they were hard to beat, but boring to watch. But Wilder is an amazing athlete and Fury has the skills and coordination of a little fighter, but he is 6-9, and 260. If they fight again, I might pay to watch it, never thought I'd say that about a guy 6-7 fighting a guy 6-9.

    I saw a guy fight in the amateurs and later as a pro he fought Wilder. He was big, probably 6-4, 240, and though he wasn't the best boxer, he was extremely tough and I suspected he could give rounds to anybody. As a pro, he lasted about a minute with Wilder, when I saw that result, I suspected there might be something special about Wilder's power. After seeing Wilder fight, his power, quickness, height, length, and endurance have convinced me that he's going to be tough for anybody. He's not unbeatable, nobody is, but it's going to take a heavyweight who is athletic and skilled to beat him.

    EDIT: The heavyweight division is full of big, athletic types right now and most have excellent amateur backgrounds. Wilder is walking through a minefield in the heavyweight division.
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

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    Come on.Wilder lacks fundamentals.hearns was a master boxer.

    As for punching power, Hearns was probably the hardest puncher ever in the welterweight divisions.The same can’t be said of Wilder but he is probably a Top10 ATG puncher at heavy