Wilder vs ATGs?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Loma is a more skilled dancer than Marciano was:
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  2. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That doesn’t look like Lomachenko at all unless he’s been taking some super Peds?
     
  3. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Johnson was a boxing master. He knew how to fight. Wilder has a great right hand...that’s it.

    And people choose Wilder? An ATG fighter vs a nothing.
     
  4. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought you said Fury was nothing, Perry?

    What about lumbering oaf Willard who beat Johnson.Do you think Wilder and Fury are nothings compared to him as well?
     
  5. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder is a min-maxed Fight Night Champion character who spent his EXP points exclusively on “Straight Right” The man’s style is drowning in red flags and yet he just hits so goddamn hard that it doesn’t even matter. Tyson Fury spent 30+ minutes boxing his ears off and two right hands nearly undid all of it.

    There in lay the problem. Most of the people on that list wouldn't be afraid. Before boxing was a business that was about being king of the payday, it used to be a sport that was all about being King of the hill.

    That being said Wilder would destroy Floyd Patterson by skull explosion, Round 1. Ko and lose to the rest.
     
  6. Hannibal Barca

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    I would favor him over Norton, Patterson, and Schmeling.

    I would give him a chance against Charles, Walcott and Klitchko.

    I would make him a prohibitive underdog against the rest.
     
  7. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack if you knew, and you don’t, that Johnson was old, rusty and shop worn when he fought Willard. Understand he turned pro in the late 1800’s. Here it was 1916. Willard’s trainers had him fine tuned to go 45 rounds and had an excellent fight plan as well. The 45 round distance guaranteed that Johnson had to win by KO as he was not in shape to go the distance. Even with all this Johnson’s defense was nearly impenetrable until exhaustion set in.
     
  8. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    All true except it was 1915.
     
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  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    By my definition of ATG, at HW so top 10.
    And then further more fringe ATGs, so top 20.

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. Larry Holmes
    5. Wladimir Klitschko
    6. George Foreman
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    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Sonny Liston
    10. Evander Holyfield
    11. Mike Tyson
    12. Rocky Marciano
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    17. Riddick Bowe
    18. Jack Dempsey
    19. Ken Norton
    20. Chris Byrd

    How many does he beat?
    I got him beating Patterson, Schmeling, Johnson, Norton, Walcott and Charles

    >>>I'd favor him vs the guys in green and view the yellow as close to 50/50.

    While Wilder is a joke of a champion who faces nobodies or older guys, he can really punch hard. He has towering height and great range. This is enough to beat the smaller men without a lot of power, or those with mediocre chins without an active and accurate offense.
     
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  10. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Johnson would easily outbox Wilder. A great boxer can defend a right hand better than any other punch. A right hand is all Wilder has to offer.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Everyone has a weakness. Holmes was to an overhand right, Ali's was a left hook.
    2. A great fighter of equal proportions and physical attributes should be able to, but not always.

    Johnson is at a huge size disadvantage and someone who was dropped and hurt by Ketchel ain't taking more than 1 Flush Wilder right-hand
     
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  12. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The KD by Ketchel was faked. Eye witness testimony by Gunboat Smith in 1969 days it all. However in those days with 3-4 oz horse hair filled gloves weak punchers could really hurt you as they had bricks as gloves.

    Size nor reach is an absolute advantage. If you knew the sport you would not make such across the board comments.
     
  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Could you link us the source this time?

    I always thought the knockdown was unexpected, not fake.
     
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  14. HOUDINI

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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So an account 60 years later, which is an opinion not fact. The footage, shows a quick fighter catching a complacent Johnson and dropping him. There was supposedly an agreement to let the bout go the distance. However there'd been 3 KDs, so I doubt that to have been true.
    They are most of the time.
    And whilst they're not always an advantage, speed and power are.