Prove the truth? Prove that Mike Tyson in the 80's was better than roided Evan Fields in the 90's? Holyfield WISHES he could replicate what Tyson did in the 80's. That's why he took roids to compete with the heavies. Just take a look at Holyfield's struggles with Alex Stewart and the mighty Bert Cooper, or even a fatter, older Larry Holmes than the one Tyson manhandled within 4 rounds. Tyson weighed over 200 lbs as a 13 year old. Holyfield at age 23 was barely 175. Do we really need to do this? Dude, this thread isn't even about Holyfield but you had to let your emotions get in the way. You're a good reason why women are into women now more than ever.
Clean as in not using muscle enhancements in the 80's. Tyson coming out of prison in 1995 looks like he took something. Who knows for sure. But we all know who Evan Fields is, or was. So there's that. Tyson never got caught in that regard. Smoking weed and doing coke is different, wouldn't you agree?
Prime vs prime I like Foreman, The 2nd coming of Foreman I like Tyson, big if he's in or close to prime. Prime Foreman had the perfect physical make-up and possible psychological make-up to deal with a fighter like Tyson. Physically his brute strength would keep Tyson off balance, keep him from setting his feet, and not allow Tyson to set up those devastating combinations he was capable of. Tyson,though built like a tank never showed the kind of physicality to deal with someone like Foreman,even in his prime. I see the same fight as Foreman vs Frazier . Foreman's brute strength moved/pushed Frazier off balance, setting up his devastating uppercuts and hooks before Frazier could re-set. I see the same happening to Tyson. Frazier was a warrior, proven in the greatest heavyweight title fight in history, and couldn't be intimidated. But what about Tyson? What would Tyson do against a fighter not only a bigger bully (Unlike "Fake " Bully Mitch Green whom was a bully, but didn't have the skill) but also a very serious threat skill wise and physically? If some of his tougher fights and losses are any indicator, it wouldn't be good. Tyson showed in many fights he was very fragile mentally, and fighters like Foreman , or a Liston who could intimidate him probably would throw him off his game. I like prime Foreman big against any version of Tyson. Old Foreman wasn't as intimidating and didn't have the speed to handle prime Tyson, and possibly get stopped for the 1st time in his career.
Ive heard the morrison argument many times. It doesn't matter if tyson was a better over all fighter than Morrison, unless you can show me a clip of tyson fighting backing up (and winning whilst doing so) its baseless speculation. He has a punchers chance obviously, and his speed and head movement could be a big obstacle for foreman, but honestly its a pretty bad matchup. People are in denial about tysons flaws. Ive gone out of my way to defend him in numerous threads so no one can say im a hater. To play devil's advocate, technically he has. The only valid examples are tillis, Ruddock, and Tucker. Problem is, all 3 of those decision wins have an asterisk*. Tillis was a razor thin decision thay could have went either way, tucker broke his hand, and Tyson broke ruddocks nuts and lost points for fouls yet wasnt disqualified. Doeent look good honestly if you're counting on tyson winning a convincing decision. His style wasnt built for it.
Look at how Tyson struggled, actually struggled is the wrong word, got beaten up and ktfo by glorified journeyman Buster Douglas. The same Buster Douglas that the elite Holyfield destroyed as an elite fighter should a journeyman. And whats this 1980's Tyson myth you nuthuggers keep peddling? Did something happen on December 31 1989 that caused him to become a lesser fighter as a 23 year old in his physical prime? Or did people suss out that whilst he was dangerous early he had flaws? I'd say thats exactly what Buster and later Evander did (and George was confident he had) and it would've happened if they'd met the mythical 80's version. Sorry for preventing you getting any action from the ladies by causing an outbreak of lesbianism. You'll just have to pleasure yourself watching Tyson-Reggie Gross for the 1000th time (just be careful you don't go blind
Prime Tyson would RUIN 36 yr old Lewis, and beat Lewis convincingly and by KO in his prime. Lewis was tailor made for prime Tyson. Lewis was the typical European style stand up boxer with average hand and foot speed, but great power. Prime Tyson would have no problem tracking Lewis slipping his punches and tattooing his body with hooks and uppercuts. Lewis didn't have a stellar chin and the moment he drops his guard ( Which he often did, even when he was relatively fresh) Tyson lands something big, and something Lewis didnt see, and good night Mr.Lewis. The Tyson that Lewis defeated was no were near the fighter he was in the mid 80's. Prime vs prime Tyson ko's Lewis and it wouldn't be close.
Since this has turned into Tyson vs Holyfield, I'd to like to share my opinion. Firstly, I wanna clarify that Holyfield was an inconsistent fighter. He started his HW run by dominating Thomas and then he had a tough fight against Dokes. He destroyed Rodrigues but then he was troubled by Stewart. Dominated McDonagh and Douglas, had difficult fights against Foreman, Cooper, Holmes. And then he lost to Bowe. The only time Holyfield looked unbeatable during his HW run was the night he beat Douglas. Almost every other outing (against decent opposition), he looked vulnerable to some degree. After losing to Bowe, Holyfield fought Stewart and he didn't look impressive. But he still beat Bowe in the rematch and then he lost to Moorer in his first defence. He comes back and fights Mercer and looked really impressive. But then he got stopped for the first time in his next fight. Personally, I can see a pattern here. And we know why Holyfield got stopped against Bowe. His chin hadn't deteriorated that much, he was suffering from Hepatitis. Holyfield didn't look good against Czyz. He actually looked worn out at this point. But guess who showed up against Tyson? Yup, this dude looked like a ****in sculpture. He still had a granite chin and he was strong af in '96. He didn't look like a 'shot' fighter at all. And after the Tyson fights, Holyfield bodied Moorer in the rematch. Holyfield wasn't in his prime when he fought Tyson but he was an active fighter who was consistently fighting top HWs. Holyfield wasn't at his best for the third Bowe fight. And Bowe had always been a bad matchup for Holyfield. Some people twist this and say "Holyfield was stopped by a past-it Bowe so he must be washed up". But the truth is, Holyfield gassed horribly, he was winning the fight before he got stopped. He had started showing one punch power we hadn't seen before. He floored Bowe with one punch and that was no flash knockdown. He also became the first fighter to drop Mercer. When I say that Tyson was washed up, I see counter-arguments saying Holyfield was washed up too. Which makes it an even playing field. But it really doesn't. Holyfield wasn't washed up by any means. If I asked you to watch their first fight and show me how Holyfield was washed up, you won't be able to come up with much. Maybe things like speed and quickness but I can counter that by saying Holyfield had put on more muscle mass and he was stronger and he punched harder. Tyson was slower too and it wasn't because he had started lifting. Holyfield could still take a punch, he was still a sharp counter-puncher, and he showed great skills. I'm not being biased when I say that was arguably the most skilled version of Holyfield we saw. I actually believe that. And he was a product of all those fights he had against elite opposition. Tyson didn't have that. He comes out of prison, beats some fighters he could beat in his sleep and somehow he is back in his prime. Tyson hadn't been in a fight in 5 years (Ruddock II). Objectively speaking, Tyson had declined a lot more than Holyfield by '96. Holyfield was a champion for 3 years after he beat Tyson. He looked **** against Bean and performed poorly against Lewis (first fight). But then he almost beat Lewis in the rematch. This was a prime/peak Lennox. There's no way this guy was washed up when he fought Tyson. People bring up Czyz and Bowe III to say he was washed up, Tyson didn't fight that version of Holyfield. Same way Moorer didn't fight the Holyfield Bowe fought in the rematch. Bowe (3rd fight) didn't fight the Holyfield that fought Mercer. Lewis didn't fight the Holyfield from their first fight, he fought a better/more prepared version. Holyfield was always blowing hot and cold. FACTS. How do these fights go if they were in their prime? If you like Holyfield more then he's got Tyson's number. No matter what, Holyfield always beats Tyson. If you like Tyson more, then Tyson was too strong and he'd stop Holyfield. I like Tyson more.
This is the gayest post I've ever seen. Why so angry? Is it because Old Foreman would get murdered by pre-prison Mike?
Great post. Just not so much for the Tyson Haters. They could take digs at Mike but can't take the return fire to the real mythical deal, and that's a roided up Evan Fields.
This is kind of a slippery slope. You can say that about a lot of the guys tyson fought. Douglas was very hot and cold. He couldn't convincgly beat TEX COBB and had to settle for a MD. He was bigger, younger, and more experienced than ferguson and lost. Then all of a sudden he wins a ud over Greg page, then tony tucker knocks him out. Then he gets past berbick and McCall. You could say that like, holyfield, he went through the ringer and all those tough fights with ranked guys/ex or future champs gave him all the tools an resources he needed to prepare for the Tyson fight. ...or you can look at it another way. What exactly did holyfield and Douglas accomplish AFTER beating tyson? What elite fighters did they beat convincingly? In Douglas' case, the answer is "nothing" and "nobody". He lost the belt by brutal ko to holy, beat a few buns, then got kod by savarese. Prior to Tyson, the whole reason he was written off is because he didnt have any big standout or remarkable wins and looked bad or lost to many of his best opponents. For holyfield, he lost 2 of his last 6, one of which was a ko loss. Even in the fights he won, he looked horrible or "meh" except for the 2nd bowe fight and the mercer fight. Yes, you can certainly make a case that all this experience helped him sharpen his skills, but you can just as easily say all those wars made him more shopworn! And after beating Tyson, his career went downhill like a buttered boulder. Yes he avenged his moore loss, beat john Ruiz and gave lewis a very good challenge (but still lost, officially 0-1-1), but that's it. The rest of his career was frankly embarrassing, the sherman williams fight was a complete farce and the poor guy was robbed of his chance to beat a legend. Rahman was...well no need to elaborate on that HEAD TO HEAD matchup, or getting stopped by james freaking toney. He lost to ruiz AFTER beating him, and lost to chris byrd. So if you look at it from another lens, both holyfield and Douglas beating tyson (not just how they beat him, but when) makes tyson look really, really bad. But I guess its how you look at it.
I'm not angry. You're the one throwing aspersions about my sexuality because I see Tyson for what he was- A very talented, exciting fighter who wasn't and never was at any point in his career unbeatable. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're intelligent enough to see this but are too much of a fanboy to admit this reality which is why you insult me, Foreman (who never even fukking fought Tyson) and Holy (who had the temerity to flog Tinkerbells bottom). I reckon thats even more inexcusable than being too thick to see reality. Now stop your tantrum, pick your bottom lip off the floor and admit that Mikey lost to the better man in Holyfield and that George wouldn't be hospitalized by Mike like you are wont to exaggerate either.
Tinkerbell? Aha!!! ****in shill. I see you. Window licker. What happened to that insult? You're just an old chapass cakeboy who can't debate and gets his feelings hurt. Old Foreman and Evan Fields are the real myths here. Both fought each other to avoid getting their **** kicked in by a Tyson hell bent on winning back the titles. Foreman benefitted and had a whole second career by calling out Tyson at every turn and yet avoiding the contract to sign. And if Tyson didn't go to prison, Evan Fields wouldn't have a career either. See, I don't hate Foreman or Holyfield. I just think Iron Mike beats both if King didn't set him up. Alex Stewart, Axel Schulz, Lou Savarese and Crawford Grimsley troubled Foreman. Tommy Morrison, and the Stewart fight, made Foreman rethink his strategy on fooling the public, and that includes bus wankers like you. Holyfield did steroids. Or HGH. Same thing. He needed help to stay afloat at heavyweight. I mean Bert Cooper...if not for a ref who gave a standing 8 - Bert Cooper "Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World". Tyson smashes Cooper in 30 seconds.
Calm down you're hysterical. Don King set him up? Foreman avoided him? Bert Cooper won? Tyson (who never avenged a loss ever) so hell bent on winning his title back that he never erased the Douglas loss and pulled out of not one but two title fights with Holyfield? Next you'll be telling me Tyson (the admitted wife beater) with the history of inappropriate behaviour towards women (including 12 year old girls) was innocent of r ape even though he was unanimously convicted by an impartial jury. And you nuthugging a piece of filth like Tinkerbell is probably a more logical explanation for you not getting any pu55y than me cruelling it for red blooded men (even ones who support women beaters) like you. I can at least debate without calling names boy. And I haven't even resorted to reminding you of Tinkerbell and his pea-hearted displays against Danny Williams and Kevin McBride at a younger age than Foreman was when he was still fighting and beating world class fighters. Or did you forget about those black spots on your boys record? Older than Mike, Foreman would destroy both of those chumps that made Mikey quit lol and even the geriatric Holyfield that fought on for way too long wouldn't get humiliated like that. And Tyson would have taken as many, if not more, roids as the next guy. He was a tubby 12 year old who somehow morphed into a muscle bound teenager funnily enough as soon as he took up with an industry insider who began grooming him as his next heavyweight cash cow. Coincidence? Yeah sure. And this "genetic freak" is now down to about 190 lbs without anywhere near the bulk he had. Holyfield (who also never failed a post fight drug test unlike Tyson) is still ripped as fukk by comparison. And I'm not Wass or whatever his name was in disguise. I used his Tinkerbell nickname for Tyson to annoy you and make you mad and it worked a treat. Immature of me but it's all a bit of fun
