And sometimes a guy fighting a 108 outweighs another guy fighting a 112. That's my point; this is a bogus weight class. Anyone 112 can make weight at 108. 4 pounds can be lost or gain. Its utter BS on the scales. Anyone can you could quickly lose 10 pounds of weight fluctuation from water alone, whether it's safe or not is a separate story. I've seen guys jump up as many four weight classes after the re-hydration process. If there were rules that fighters could be no more than 3 pounds over their weight limit the entire sham would collapse over night and fighters would need to fight at their natural weight. Boxing needs less weight classes, not 17 and counting. Average weight and height for U.S. men aged over 20 years, according to age group. Racial group Average weight (pounds) Average height (inches) non-Hispanic white 202.2 pounds 69.8" non-Hispanic black 197.7 pounds 69.1" non-Hispanic Asian 161.1 pounds 66.8" Hispanic 190.5 pounds 66.7" Mexican-American 190.4 pounds, 66.5" All groups 197.6 pounds 69.2" Maybe 1 percent of the adult male population is 108 pounds or under. If this is the case, does boxing really need a jr flyweight division? At this point someone might object saying that's not the case in some Asian nations. Okay, I checked in Korea the average man weights 151.2 lb. A long way from 108 pounds, wouldn't you say?
Are you one of them who does? There is a difference between being troll and giving an opinion with facts attached to it. Some here don't like poster XYZ's opinion, and think they are trolls, then feed them by replying back and bumping their threads. For my replies to trolls are mostly limited to false statements.
I know we're talking about weight classes but height plays a role here. 11.7 million people in South Korea are 5'4 or shorter (22.6% of the population). The reason height plays a role here is so we can take a look at BMI. Put everything into perspective. Male BMI in USA: 28.8 (8th highest in the world). 18.5 - 25 BMI is considered normal. Above 25 is overweight and above 30 is obese. Average weight might be 190 or whatever but that doesn't mean everyone looks like Evander Holyfield. Average height is 5'9. You said the average weight is 197.6 If someone is 6'2 and weighs 197.6 (an average person), his BMI falls into overweight category. Only 2.9% of US population is 6'2 and 2.5% are taller than 6'2. I don't think 5.4% of the population is carrying the average weight to nearly 200. The real answer is obesity. 36% of the population is considered obese. 29% are normal weight (edited: not 31%). 1.6% are underweight. I wanna know the average weight and height of these men because these are usually the ones that compete in boxing. In South Korea, 68% of the population is normal weight or underweight (28% overweight, 4% obese). 6.2% of the population is 5'4. If someone is 5'4 and weighs 108, their BMI is 19.1, that's a normal BMI (18.5 to 25). If 18.5 to 25 is normal, say there's 5% of 5'4 population that is between 18.5 and 19.5 (light flyweights). 68% of SK population is normal/under weight = 35 million (out of 51.5 million). 6.2% is 5'4. 6.2% of 35 million = 2.2 million. 5% of 2.2 million that fall between 18.5-19.5 BMI = 110,000 men (0.0021% of the population). 2 out of 1000 people in South Korea are natural junior flyweights. I was being generous here. I'm pretty sure there's more than 5% of 5'4 men who fall between BMI of 18.5 and 19.5. Since the average BMI is 23.9 in South Korea. And there's 4x as many underweight men in South Korea than US. 1.6% in US and 7% in SK. Average height of a welterweight = 5'8 (top 10). Weight = 147 lbs. BMI = 22.3, these fighters are in the 29% category who are normal weight. 29% of USA population (327 million) = 95 million. 13.1% are 5'8. 13.1% of normal weight population = 12.4 million. 5% of men fall between 22 and 23 BMI. 5% of 12.4 million = 620,000 men (0.0019% of the population). 2 out of 1000 people are welterweights. Average height of a light-heavyweight = 6'1 (top 20). Weight = 175 lbs. BMI = 23. 4.9% of US population is 6'1. 29% of the population that is of normal weight = 95 million. 4.9% of 95 million = 4.6 million. 5% of the US population has a BMI between 23 and 24. 5% of 4.6 million = 245,000 men (0.0007% of the population). That means 7 out of 10,000 people in the US would be light heavyweights. Average height in the NBA is 6'7. Only 0.033% of US population is 6'7. Average height of an NBA Center is 6'11. 0.000555% of the US population is 6'11. That's roughly 1798 people lol (out of 327 million). Maybe they should get rid of that position. I know this isn't the most accurate way of looking at it. BMI isn't always the best indicator. But we're talking about boxers here. They're usually lean. You can be jacked af and have a low body fat % and BMI won't mean much. For boxers, BMI is usually pretty accurate. https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/ For height percentile (about 100 countries) https://dqydj.com/bmi-percentile-calculator-men-women-united-states/ For BMI percentlie (USA only) There's a 4 lbs gap between junior flyweight and flyweight. 4 lbs for a 108 lbs fighter is 3.7% of his body weight. There's a 3 lbs gap between flyweight and super flyweight. 3 lbs for a 112 lbs fighter is 2.7% of his body weight. There's a 3 lbs gap between super flyweight and bantamweight. 3 lbs for a 115 lbs fighter is 2.6% of his body weight. There's a 4 lbs gap between bantamweight and super bantamweight. 4 lbs for a 118 lbs fighter is 3.4% of his body weight. There's a 4 lbs gap between super bantamweight and featherweight. 4 lbs for a 122 lbs fighter is 3.3% of his body weight. There's a 4 lbs gap between featherweight and super featherweight. 4 lbs for a 126 lbs fighter is 3.2% of his body weight. There's a 5 lbs difference between lightweight and super lightweight. 5 lbs for a 135 lbs fighter is 3.7% of his body weight. Exactly the same as a light flyweight moving up to flyweight. That doesn't seem fair to me. I don't think you're wrong about the weight classes. There seem to be too many. But if we're going to get rid of any weight class, all the weight classes I listed should go before Junior Flyweight. It isn't easy for small fighters to bulk up. They have small frames. If Marvin Hagler can stay at one weight his whole career, Chang or Carbajal can stay at junior flyweight. You don't have to move up in weight if you don't feel comfortable. I guess that's why we have so many weight classes. If we have junior welterweight or junior middleweight etc. we should also have a junior flyweight division. Let's keep it fair. Just because you think 4 lbs doesn't mean much, doesn't make it insignificant. Antonio Cervantes spent his career at 140 lbs. 7 lbs away from welterweight and he never tried to move up to 147. 4 lbs, 7 lbs, what's the difference. He even had the frame to move up (imo). It took Ricardo Lopez 15 years to go from 105 to 108. He fought at 108 three times and retired. Galaxy, Roman, Watanabe spent their entire careers at 115. Genaro, Lynch, Canto spent their careers at 112. I'm not sure if they had jr. weight classes at the time but bantamweight was only 6 lbs away. They probably weighed that much after rehydrating anyways, right? Zarate spent most of his career at 118. When he moved up to 122 to challenged Bazooka Gomez, he was stopped in the 5th round. Returned promptly. Gomez himself spent 10 years at 122 before he moved up to 126. It took Azumah Nelson 7 years to move up from 126 to 130. These are 4 lbs we're talking about. Same as 108 to 112, only a little easier since these guys are bigger fighters. 3 of the top 5 junior flyweights spent their entire careers at 108 (Carbajal, Gonzalez, Yuh). Chang only fought at 112 in his comeback. Chang was 5'3. Zapata was 5'6 with a 5'8 reach. Zapata was big boy. Fought at 108 and 112. My point is very simple, little guys have a tougher time moving up in weight. Just because some of them did, it doesn't mean everyone can. Thomas Hearns weighed 145 against Leonard. Fought at 190 later in his career and beat Nate Miller (former cruiser champ). 45 lbs. I can't think of a single junior flyweight or strawweight (since these divisions were made) who successfully moved up more than 10 lbs. Roman Gonzalez moved from 105 to 115. Naoya Inoue moved from 108 to 118 (so far). Lea Gomez moved from 105 to 115. Arce from 108 to 118. Nietes from 105 to 115. These are the biggest weight climbers of lower divisions. Modern fighters have it easier because there are 4 titles at each weight. You can move up and target the weaker champ and become a multiple division champion. It wasn't so easy when there were two titles. And to be fair, Chang had beaten both fighters who were the flyweight champs while Chang was the light flyweight champ- Chitalada (WBC) and Zapata (WBA).
What an excellent post. Also, as for the apparently small difference between 108 and 112, take a look at Sho Kimura just this past weekend: an energy monster who didn’t slow down over 12 at flyweight who was gassed out at 108 after 6 rounds and lost handily to the much smaller Carlos Canizales who likely could make 105lbs quite easily. Compare that to his nip-and-tuck fight with P4Per Kosei Tanaka at 112lbs, a fighter who was making the leap from 108 to 112.
Cp If they awarded Arguement of the Year. Would this beat out the Walker/Steele arguement. Or are others even better?
Nah, definitely Walker/Steele beats this one. My pick for argument of the year is the Rocky Marciano and Sonny Liston photo
You guys really should study up Walker. There is a great article on him in th February 1983 The Ring Mag with Mike Dokes on the cover. Well worth buying off ebay. Plus the 1983 the Ring with Tex Cobb on the cover has a sensational article and spread on Stanley Ketchel.
We've all studied on Walker. It's just we don't think he beats Steele lol. I imagine Lach would tell you I underrate Walker a fair bit at 147
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