The Key Differences of Hayes and Holyfields move up from Cruiser to HEAVY

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  1. thePRESIDENT

    thePRESIDENT Active Member Full Member

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    People on this forum have been contemplating if Haye will make the Transition North to Heavyweight as well as Holyfield.

    I think he will and here is why.


    1. Holyfield moved up from the OLD cruiser limit of 190, Haye is moving up from a limit of 200. That is a big difference/ less disparity for Haye.

    2. Holyfield had to weigh in a few hours before a fight in the OLD days, so he was naturally a 190lber. Haye must have weighed at least 210lbs on the night of the Macranelli Mormeck fight.

    3. Haye has an amazing amount of self confidence/arrogance. As a Puncher I beleive that is an extremely important ingredient, it enables him to "put it on the line" so to speak, ala Naseem Hamed.

    4. Holyfield moved into a relatively weak heavyweight division just like Haye. There was Bowe for Holyfield there is a similar big task for Haye in Wlad.

    5. Haye is 6"3 and an excellent size for a heavy with broad shoulders, expect him to put some healthy poundage on between now and his next fight.

    6. Golden boy.....this is the smartest move from Haye, they will guid him to at least one version of the heavy title.

    7. Can he he beat Wlad.....if he lands a Bomb yes....but I back Wlad to beat him putting another stinking negative Jab and hold display.

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    thePRESIDENT, Jun 27, 2008
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  2. TFFP

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    Pretty much agree with everything, which is a first.
     
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  3. petrozza

    petrozza The Great Visionary Full Member

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    7. Most of the punches that Ibragimov took in that snoozefest would put Haye down and out... Wlad by KO!
     
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  4. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    im still looking for the calzaghe reference
     
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  5. thePRESIDENT

    thePRESIDENT Active Member Full Member

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    I wanted to mention Calzaghe but I cant think of anything challenging Joe has done...sorry
     
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  6. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Some of the points are taken, but the HW division was pretty solid in the early 90s. He first moved up in 1988, but the division improved later on. You had Mike Tyson there from 1988 to 1991, and then when he got out of prison. You had young prospects like Lennox Lewis, Ray Mercer, and Riddick Bowe who turned pro in 1988. Razor Ruddock wasn't the smartest of fighters (that's an understatement), but he was a hard-hitting heavyweight with some physical gifts.

    Also, I'm not too sure about the weigh-in procedures for Holyfield back then.

    I think the WBC wanted to change the rules after Mancini-Kim in 1982. I'm not too sure exactly when it became common practice all around for guys to weigh-in about 30 hours before the fight.
     
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  7. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Holyfield had a chin though. Haye's is still a bit shaky.

    I think he'll excel at heavyweight though, I don't think he's ready for Wlad yet though.
     
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  8. jcrh22

    jcrh22 Active Member Full Member

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    I think if Wlad wins it will be by knockout, Haye will jump on him looking for the knockout and that is when Haye could get caught. I think it will be an exciting fight whilst it lasts
     
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  9. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A few key differences are, as already stated, Holyfield has an ATG chin. Holyfield's workrate is much higher than Haye's. Holyfield was a far superior technical boxer to Haye. And nobody ever had more heart than Holyfield.
     
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  10. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Everything he wrote is correct but I agree, Wladimir KO's Haye fairly early if Haye is aggressive early, later in the fight if Haye tries to survive and "out stamina" Klitschko.
     
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  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When Holyfield moved up, the CW limit was smaller......so were the HW's. The whole reason the CW limit was moved up to 200 is because the size of the average HW has increased. So to me, that isn't a factor. And I think overall, the HW division is worse now than in the late 80's early 90's.
     
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  12. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Also true. Holyfield's chin was never really in question at Cruiser, unlike Haye.
     
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  13. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    yep agree with all of this to be honest
     
    Benjiabc, Jun 27, 2008
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  14. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    yeah that's the biggest difference. Holyfield had a granite chin. Haye has been kd and badly hurt by former super mws, Mock and Thompson not to mention other cruisers
     
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  15. kgs83

    kgs83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yea agree with most points, but in a nutshell Haye will do well at HW because he is a good boxer, lots of amature experience, he isn't a 112 boxer he comes with anges and has fought good competition in CW prior.

    Touch wood he will spicen the division up.
     
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