Isn't it a bit naive to expect past era fighters to be competitive against modern fighters...?

OMG... it doesn't get much funnier than this!

 

Anyone who praises a 15 fight untested novice over an ATG like Durán has zero knowledge of this sport. Fanboy stuff void of logic.

 

Do you know how DEADLY Duran was as a lightweight? He could punch all night, extremely quick and had one punch KO power in either fist. All this and he was constantly feinting and slipping blows. Very few lightweights in boxing history could avoid being koed by him at his best.

 

I meant Viruet, I got my name's mixed. But
Sorry. Is Loma not a slick southpaw? Was Viruet not a slick southpaw?

And Leonard > Loma

 

Loma isn’t greater than anybody. He is an untested 14-1 pro. Let him fight 5-6 ATG opponents THEN let’s compare. Right now he is in an infantile stage in comparison.

 

Duran is top 4 at lightweight,imo but he had problems with movers and who moves better than Loma?
I'd like to see Loma v Garcia then we might begin assessing him.

 

Or Marciano’s stamina or Ali’s footwork. Great examples.

 

Most of todays amatuers stink

 

In his prime Viruet ran from Duran in both fights but still got a beating. Duran didn't have trouble with movers, he cut the ring down and tortured them. Bizzaro fought Duran in a parking lot sized ring, ran for his life and still ended the night flat on his back.

 

ETM is on the money. Neither opponent fought to win. The Bizzaro KO is one of the most brutal ever in my memory.

 

Duran got ko'd once in 119 pro fights and 31 years of pro boxing including 10 different weight divisions. He got ko'd by an ATG who is one of the greatest P4P punchers in history who held all sorts of physical advantages over him. They fought 19 pounds above Duran's peak weight. Lomachenko is 15 fights, 6 years and 3 divisions deep. The divisions can be glazed over quite a bit as he started so late. Granted there's no filler but there's not much quantity yet either.

Duran did quite ok and so far Loma has barely even sucked the milk. Tho the era is somewhat barren he should might eventually some stiff challenges ahead at some point. It would be brazen to say he will never get ko'd even given the current landscape.

 

Let's not be daft pal. So would Loma if he fought Hearns. And I mean the prime Loma, not the overweight, old-arse Duran who faced Hearns. He'd have been knocked out by Leonard too, instead of producing arguably the greatest performance in the history of the sport to win on points.

 

That, son, is a superb post. Post of the week.

 

Agreed. Buchanan had some of the best feet and lateral/peripheral movement in lightweight history and Duran closed the gap on him with frightening speed. And when De Jesus, an excellent infighter, got outfought on the inside, he got on his bike with plenty of finesse but still got cut down late. Bizzarro, Ortiz, Viruet, Fernandez lost widely to Duran. Well, Ortiz was a bit competitive. Granted, other than the Fernandez fight where he was very convincing, Duran coasted against Viruet, Bizzarro and Ortiz and lacked his usual fire a bit. He was transitioning fight by fight from being a pure raw swarmer into a more complete fighter with textbook underpinning and used these fights imo to experiment and try different things when not quite as comfortable as he would be by De Jesus III, Leonard I, Palomino etc. They fought to survive against him and it isn't easy to look good against, especially if you don't feel threatened. Lomachenko is aggressive and not a runner despite his great movement; @roughdiamond described his style very well. He also brought up Marcel, who was also a great mover and smooth defensive fighter even at that young age. That fight was close, though both were young and inexperienced. Marcel still looks terrific though and shortly became one the great fighters to be captured on film.

Duran's issues with movers and defensive fighters only came when he was older, slower, less determined, less consistent and having lost his footspeed.

 

Even tho you've encompassed it and then some i'll add at higher weights anyway.