How do we rank Lennox Lewis in terms of greatness?

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ive got him at no 2 H2H, behind Ali.
     
  2. 88Chris05

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    Anywhere between roughly #5 and #8 at Heavyweight seems fair for Lewis. Outside of Ali, Louis and Holmes (my personal choice for #3) they're all much of muchness with serious flaws in their records. But Lewis is easily top ten and closer to the top half of that list than missing out altogether.

    Ali and Louis are deservedly the two golden standards, the top two in more or less everyone's lists. That's understandable. I do think, however, that of all the guys who have come along since, Lewis all the things in his favour to be the guy who could break that duopoly. He had the size of a genuine 'Super-Heavyweight' but could match it with athleticism, a good punch, decent ring intelligence and he also had the potential fights and contemporaries around him (the 1990s, in terms of the quality of Heavyweights around at various times, is second only to the golden era of the 1970s - more on that in a tick). Lewis really should have been the guy to make us consistently question the water-tightness of the Ali-Louis top two combination, but he didn't quite manage it.

    Some of that was down to bad luck. Though the 1990s was an outstanding era in terms of potential available fights and big names, things got in the way which prevented it matching the 1970s, particularly Tyson being locked up 1992-95 and Bowe eating himself to an early retirement. Both of these denied the division some historic moments and fights, and neither are Lewis' fault. BUT - while timing dictated he would never have faced a peak Tyson, even if they'd boxed in 1996, Lewis only has himself to blame for not making himself an absolute must for one of Holyfield or Bowe (or both, preferably!) long before he eventually did fight Evander in 1999. The loss to McCall meant he had to start the round-robin routine again and he was a bit of an afterthought between 1994 and 1997 while Bowe, Holyfield and a released Tyson were making all the headlines. He should have been right there with them.

    Once is understandable, but then there's the Rahman loss as well. Yeah, it's boxing, it's the Heavyweights, it can happen to anyone and all that jazz. But it didn't happen to just anyone. It happened to Lewis - twice. Says a lot about what a quality fighter he was that, even with those two disasters, he's still easily a top ten man and for my money nudging in to the top five. But if his professionalism and concentration hadn't deserted him at those moments I think he'd have a serious shot of unseating Louis at #2.

    Have said it before, but in a nutshell that's why I can't bring myself to put Lewis above Holmes. Both had similar longevity, both beat a similar level of opposition, but the difference is that Holmes wasn't poleaxed twice in or around his peak championship years by relatively average fighters.
     
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  3. McGrain

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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Foreman, Frazier would have been a huge problem for Lewis but his size might let him down, Liston had the reach and power to KO Lewis but couldn`t cut the ring off, there is no comparison between Ali and Lewis`s resumes at all. Who did Lewis beat that Ali couldn`t?
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I stated guys with the same size and ability two of those guys were heavily flawed. Vitali for me was beating Lewis and then it became a brawl, Lewis struggled and would struggle with any heavyweight Vitali`s size and with his ability, that was clear to see.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No chance.
     
  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I never suggested anyone did I?
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis fought far better in the McCall rematch than he did v Bruno.
     
  9. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Old ,career heaviest Lewis
     
  10. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I think he’s a dangerous fight for anyone in history, and any praise higher than that is just icing on the cake.
     
  11. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Do you know I cant think of a single heayweight who fought more big guys than Lewis!
    Rahman 6'2.5" 238lbs
    Botha 6'2" 237lbs
    Grant 6'7" 250lbs
    Briggs 6'4" 228lbs
    Golota 6'4" 244lbs
    Akinwande 6'7" 237.5lbs
    McCall 6'2" 237lbs
    Morrison 6'2" 227lbs
    Bruno 6'3" 238lbs
    Tucker 6'5" 235lbs
    Ruddock 6'3" 235lbs
    Williams 6'5"233lbs
    Garber 6'6"224lbs
    Quarless 6' 4"221lbs
    Mason6'1.5"235lbs
    Jones 6'6" 243.25lbs
    Biggs6'5" 231lbs
    McCrory 6'4"221lbs
    Dascola 6'3"223,5lbs

    I really don't think you have an argument!
     
  12. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Quite true, but it’s worth noting that two of his toughest fights were with a guy who weighed 212 and another who wouldn’t weigh much more than that without his spare tire.
     
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  13. BCS8

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    I'd say he's top 3 HW of all time.
     
  14. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's a definite top 3 for mine.

    He could be a wrecking machine when the situation warranted it (Golota, Grant, Ruddock), box masterfully and cerebrally (Tua, Tyson,Rahman 2, Holyfield 1) and gut it out when the going got tough (Mercer, Vitali).

    Whilst he had flaws, namely a chin that wasn't up to his other qualities, he was one of the toughest heavyweight champions to beat. I'd pick a few to maybe catch him and beat him in a one off fight (if he wasn't switched on that is) but very few take a series of fights over him.

    One things for sure, he rides roughshod over today's scene.
     
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  15. janitor

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    It always helps!
     
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