Jim Jeffries vs Tyson Fury

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No I didn't. Im not a fan of Fury's , Im just remarking on your double standard.So if Kovalev beats an ex light middleweight at light heavy he is HOF?
     
  2. reznick

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    Not size alone. But combined with his strength, stamina and athleticism, I definitely believe he would.
     
  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can someone please reference where the athletic prowess of Jeffries comes from exactly?
     
  4. Tonto62

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    Jeffries was strong and had stamina against old supermiddleweights and lightheavies,it remains to be seen how he would do against a 250lbs+6'9" agile boxer.

    Old comebacking small,light hitting Corbett was in front after 22 rds. Couldn't Fury do better?
    Over 15rds, which this is set for, Fury clowns Jeffries.He would be lucky to land half a dozen meaningful punches!
    Five feet eight 185lbs Sharkey gave Jeffries life and death twice.
    Sharkey would be like a child against Fury, and I'm no fan of the Gypsy.
     
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  5. Tonto62

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    All that running with herds of deer on his back.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Considering the following:

    1 ) The fight is taking place past his prime, when his opponent is at his absolute prime.

    2 ) Canelo bulking up ( Not fat ) well above the middle weight limit, who for all we know is still on PED's. Canelo was likely 175+ vs GGG a reason why he did not weigh tin on fight night.

    3 ) Canelo being viewed by some as the world's pound for pound fighter.

    4 ) And like I said Kovalev has to beat these" judges too "

    No double standards above, these are facts. Now answer the question again, you might chance your opinion.

    A win here likely means Kovalev makes the hall of fame, even if he was robbed vs Ward in the first fight.
     
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  7. GoldenHulk

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    Fury would beat his ass.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    He has plenty of strong man photos, including holding two men in each hand. I don't think anyone doubted his strength and his build certainly looks the part.

    The references are in the papers and from people familiar with Jeffries.

    Jeffries was an all-around athlete, capable of running a 10.5 100 yard dash, not in modern track shoes or with starting blocks mind you.

    While this time today is not special, it would have been good enough to medal gold in the 1896 Olympics. He's also was able to clear 5 feet 10" on the high bar, and in those days there was no such thing as a back flop, your feet had to clear the bar. A heck of a baseball player too.

    Probably the most impressive heavyweight champion I ever saw jumping rope as well. He was by many accounts an athletic big man.

    Below is a solid profile:

    [url]http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html[/url]
     
  9. Golden_Feather99

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    Tyson Fury gives Jeffries a boxing lesson.

    "I am going into this fight for the sole purpose of proving that a Caucasian man is better than a Gypsy." - Jim Jeffries before the fight

    "Come on now Mr. Jeff. Let me see what you got. Do something, man. This is for the lineal championship." - Fury taunting Jeffries during the fight

    "I could never have whipped Tyson at my best. I couldn't have hit him. No, I couldn't have reached him in 1,000 years." - Jim Jeffries after the fight
     
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  10. escudo

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    A lot of his style is illegal now. I would argue that aside from Sullivan he was probably the biggest transitional figures in boxing history. Everything was still being figured out on the fly. He fought 40 rounds often. He grappled as much as he struck. He was really the last heavyweight champion to do that. And by Dempsy it had almost completely left. Rule changes. They tried to kick his entire style out of the sport. Not event to mention the racial and color line stuff. So i'm going to stop before I write a chapter on JJ, because I'm focused on Henry Pearce atm.

    I don't think Fury looks massively worse, just that cut blinded him. I think he fought several rounds unable to see a southpaws left hand. The punch that cut him wasn't that hard either. Freak thing in the Wallin fight. He survived and got the W.
     
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  11. BitPlayerVesti

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    He was in a few scheduled for 45, I don't think any of his actually went that far.

    Dempsey had a very different, much more offencive style of it from Johnson, but still actually grappled a lot more than often made out. It's interesting that Johnson grappled a lot less against Moran and Willard, when his skills had declined. I think he did it so much, to prolong fights he was winning easy, to make more money off the film, and to annoy white people.
     
  12. escudo

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    Haven't seen the Moran fight but Williard's size and reach bothered Jack I think. but not half as much as Jess' durability. I'd heavily favor Jack Johnson over Rocky Marciano. So there.
     
  13. BitPlayerVesti

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    Do you think Willard could have beaten a prime Johnson?

    I honestly think Johnson just didn't quite have the speed he used to at that point, Willard was pretty able to neutralise his offence, and I think very little Johnson threw actually landed clean.

    The Moran fight is worth watching when you have the time, it's interesting. Dempsey Vs Gibbons as well if you have a bit more time, and haven't seen that one.
     
  14. BitPlayerVesti

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    Worth noting the top athletes didn't really turn up to the 1896 Olympics, I don't think any records were set or broken at it.
     
  15. escudo

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    Possible, but not likely. Jack had declined, was under constant stress as a champion in exile. ANd it was "hotter that hell down there". Hardly a focused and hungry Jack Johnson that dominated an era. Foot speed is always the first thing to go. Jack Needed it up against that much reach.
     
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