Best Version of Cooney vs. all of Dempsey's foes sans Tunney

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does Cooney make it through Dempsey resume (Sans Tunney) unblemished, and if not, where does he lose? Gerry is in optimal condition for all matches.

    If you pick Tunney to beat all the fighters Dempsey did, bonus question:

    Does the best version of Cooney beat Tunney
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Both beat both over 15.

    I'm not pushing it when I say Cooney beats them all by stoppage as well.

    I'll take Tunney to beat them all on points over 15.

    Cooney obliterates Tunney
     
  3. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    Prime cooney knocks out all of them with firpo being the most dangerous fight.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Highly unlikely I would say.

    This is a guy who lost every single time that he stepped in against a rated opponent.

    I also think that by making him in optimum condition for every fight, you are effectively tuning him into something that he was not!
     
  5. Dubblechin

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    I know these are "mythical" matchups, but I don't agree with these types of premises. They give one guy a huge advantage. So what's the point?

    Dempsey's career spanned 13 years. Cooney's career spanned for 13 years, too. The best version of Dempsey didn't fight all of Dempsey's opponents over those 13 years.

    So how would the best version of Cooney fight all of Demspey's opponents?

    The best version of Cooney didn't fight all of Cooney's opponents, either.

    If Cooney fought the same guys Dempsey did in Dempsey's first year, and second year and third ... I'm sure Cooney would do fine early on.

    By the time Cooney was in his 10th year as a pro, fighting Spinks, if Cooney was fighting Firpo and Gibbons instead ... I'm sure they'd have given Cooney problems.

    And, instead of fighting Foreman in his 13th year as a pro, if Cooney had fought the same versions of Tunney and Sharkey that Dempsey faced in his 13th year as a pro ... Sharkey and Tunney would likely give Cooney problems, too.

    That's a more realistic scenario when looking at all the opponents someone fought in a career.
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    Thanks. You stated that more concisely than I did. But that was my point, too.
     
  7. janitor

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    Let's face it, Cooney was not exactly a model of best practice.

    Alcohol and cocaine could be had for ready money in the 20s as well!
     
  8. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Keep dreaming guys....cooneys glass jaw sees him getting koed by a number of fighters at that time
     
  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So let's assume the scenario that you're describing here, I don't mind it, and like it. So under the terms specified (we know Cooney did better earlier than as time went on and the loss happened) So how does that he do under the scenario you describe... who beats him?