Lmao watch their fights and it shouldn’t even be a question on whose stamina is superior. There is a long list of actual nobodies on Holmes reign as champ so please enough with the trying to take down Marciano’s opposition a peg. Regardless of your biased opinions he took out 3 top ten p4p greats. Holmes took out one that was older and more injured then anyone Rocky fought. Once again and I’m getting tired of repeating myself. Take a couple of minutes out of your life and actually watch Marciano v Louis. Louis jab does NOTHING to stop Marciano. Marciano controlled the distance and easily pushed the bigger Louis around. Until you actually watch the fight and drop this false narrative we will get nowhere. Marciano also wasn’t even fully groomed yet and still dominated, the fight wasn’t close. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see that 38* year old Moore actually beat Holmes or seriously compete with him. One of the most underrated HWs ever. Walcott May do well but his chin would fail him against Holmes. And EC gives anyone a hard time. Kind of the Holyfield of his time. You also keep bringing up Holmes went the distance with “big class HWs”. He beat those guys but he lost to the little guys keep that in mind.
There is a short list on Marciano's as champ because he only defended 6 times , 4 times against old men! Charles and Moore are not greats at heavyweightso stop with the spin its akin to that nonsense about Rockys big punching opponents which I totally exploded. Lets confine this to FACTS! You keep telling me to watch Marciano's fights and I keep telling you ve been watching them since the mid 1960'sand Im tired of repeating myself! Now you're getting the arsehole because you have no rebuttal to the truth! Louis busted up Marciano with just his jab its a cold stone fact learnt to live with it! Or do you, in your fan boyism think the referee is responsible for the state of Rockys face here? "It was like getting hit in the face with a hammer" Marciano. This content is protected
Much is being made of the size/age of Marciano's opponents. Rather too much in my opinion. A weak era is just as likely to be dominated by younger/bigger contenders, as it is by older/smaller contenders. When there are no standout talents in their prime, the men who hold some sort of advantage over the opposition rise to the top. They might be a bit more physical than the other contenders, or they might be more experienced/better technically. If you eliminated Walcott, Charles and Moore, from Marciano's era, then you would have had an era dominated by Henry, Layne, Valdez and Baker, which would presumably have been an even worse era, though it would have looked better in the eyes of many here. The point is that Holmes himself didn't fight in a particularly strong era, and whatever the age/dimensions of his contenders, they were still the cream of a weak crop, just like Marciano's contenders. I would have a lot more sympathy with this argument, if we were matching Marciano against somebody who objectively fought in a strong era, like Joe Frazier or Evander Holyfield.
" Rocky was a young man fighting old men,I'm an old man fighting young men" Larry Holmes after the Spinks fight. Wonder how a 42 years old Rocky would do with a prime Evander Holyfield?
It doesn't follow that the latter is better than the former. A champion picking off an inexperienced contender who in not ready, is worse than fighting an ageing veteran who has at least earned their ranking, and knows what they are doing. You do not need to sell me the idea that Marciano would not have aged well as a fighter.
I would say that it is relevant if you are comparing him to a champion who fought in a strong era. Not so much if you are comparing him to one who fought in a weak era.
I'm happy to match Cooney , Witherspoon,Williams, Shavers,Weaver,Berbick.against the aged versions of the men that Marciano defended against.
If you agree the "inevitable conclusion" is that Louis primarily relied on his left then the inevitable conclusion is that he kept up with rocky for 8 rounds due primarily to his left. A child can follow this logic. No i never said since shavers couldn't stop him then marciano couldn't.
You're not helping your case at all. If virtually all his blows were power punches then that makes it even worse that he took longer to ko the same opponent that others finished sooner.
To not consider Archie a serious contender and great HW is to not have viewed his record. Amazing record at HW as good as any contender that ever lived. Maybe the best contender record of any HW ever. He basically cleaned house before meeting Marciano. So let’s clear that BS statement up. Charles was arguably better then anyone Holmes defended against. Thirdly maybe if you haven’t seen the fight since the 60s maybe you should brush up because your attempts to say he controlled Marciano with the jab is honestly embarrassing. Trying to post a pic with a black eye after a boxing fight with the best HW ever is insanely terrible argument to make. Especially considering the guy with the black eye dominated the whole fight. Your not arguing facts man. Get a grip. Rewatch the fight because you’re obviously not familiar with it.
Funnily enough so am I! If they were the best that Holmes fought, then they are nothing special as a group.
Again, I really can't see why you would hold up the Louis fight, as an obvious rote to victory for another fighter. It was basically a domination.
Moore was a serious contender when he fought Rocky, he was not then, or at any other time a great heavyweight imo. Heavyweights of his time that would beat him would include Walcott, and Charles. Please do not keep exhorting me to watch fights I was viewing these in question before you were hatched and I've seen them many,many times since! At no point have I said Louis controlled Marciano ,with his jab or with any other punch.I have simply demonstrated that far from it being a non factor which was your idiotic assertion, it was a factor and we have not only Marciano's own words to confirm this, we have the photographic evidence which I posted! I'm sorry if pointing out facts is somehow insulting the sacred cow that is the mythic Marciano but the truth is the truth and if you cannot accept it without getting seriously butt hurt, perhaps an open forum is not the place for you?
