I wasn't. Not once was i ever doing that. I only ever brought up Louis as evidence that larry's jab would likely disfugure and mangle rocky's face if a washed up Louis had his eye nearly shut--which is fact even if rocky dominated. Larry was prime, had more reach, speed, and power in his jab than Louis--something most people with an iq over 80 would agree with. Pretty simple logic to follow. Nowhere in my posts did i say larry would literally just throw jabs and win, nowhere. You're the one ignoring the elephant in the room and using triangle theories as evidence rocky "wouldnt be phased" by Larry's jab (your words, not mine).
It's why im ignoring him. He lacks emotional maturity and objectivity. Choklab and janitor will at least address cold hard facts even if their responses are hilarious.
Moore was the strongest contender with the best heavyweight wins in the division. Baker, Henry and Valdes. If your definition that a great fighter must be champion of the division in order to be great in that division then Moore cannot qualify. But this is narrow grounds to downplay a fighter who was nigh on pound for pound the best at that time. Baker and Valdes win alphabet titles in every decade after 1980.
When his record is analyzed it’s clear he was a serious HW fighter. There isn’t a Holmes opponent who came close to that many ranked wins I’d wager. Barring an ancient Ali. That’s not an insult on Holmes but more of a defense of Moore who constantly gets downgraded for his accomplishments within the HW division.
"Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap".Larry Holmes "He was just a street brawler ." .Joe Louis "He was too small for modern heavyweights and he had balance issues" Emmanuel Steward.
“Facts” you use that term loosely. You’ve said nothing but biased opinion to this point and gave no real logical breakdown of how Holmes beats Marciano.
Archie Moore was never a great heavyweight. That is my position. I don't need you, of all people telling me what my definition of a great fighter is thank you.
He beats him by jabbing him at range and crossing the right when the opportunity presents itself ,and in close, by utilising the uppercut and tying him up .Since he was used to tying up modern sized heavyweights I don't see why he cannot do the same to a 5'10"185 lbs man.
You keep making these asinine statements I'll take a bet that I am more up to speed with Moore's record than you! I recently did an in depth study of his opponents.You're just a fan boy Pal.
The logic is also an opinion. We've given you logical breakdowns of how he does it. You didn't agree with the logic and replied with logic that is non sensical and doesn't represent what the pair of them could do
Marciano was never kept at range by a fighter and he rarely got hit with combos. He also was great at avoiding inside shots by setting his head on his opponents strong side. Which he was able to do because he had power in both hands and could attack either side. Which made him difficult to handle on the inside. I would like to see if someone could hold him properly on the inside. That I’m not sure how he’d handle because the tactic wasn’t attempted to much on him from the fights I’ve seen. I could see Lennox applying that properly to Marciano but not Holmes because I’ve seen Lennox do it to Tyson and Tua. Marciano threw a lot of uppercuts himself. So why would Larry be any different? The extra weight is a non factor really because every big guy he ever faced he knocked out. So I’m not convinced his weight will help. It’s his style that determines this.
Give an example please? The only things I’ve been arguing is the nonsensical idea that Marciano was seriously hampered by Louis jab (Marciano said it bothered him in the early rounds but you really couldn’t tell unless he said it and that was the early rounds which I also stated Marciano wild lose). I’ve also argued the degrading of Marciano’s opposition. Which isn’t the best of the best but let’s face it it’s comparable to Holmes competition all day. That is opinion not fact. I’ve also argued nonsensical arguments in regards too X fighter knocked out X fighter in this round but so and so couldn’t do it until three rounds later so he must lack power. These arguments are ridiculous and lack any knowledge of the fact that styles make fights.
We’ve already been through this, that metric makes no sense, and doesn’t hold up under scrutiny when comparing him with his peers. If he took longer to beat some opponents who got knocked out quicker, that would simply make him not some fictional super boxer. Which doesn’t say anything at all.
