Does Ruiz have faster hands than Mike Tyson.

Hard to say, but I know if Tyson prime had been in there with AJ he wouldn't have made it half as long,!

 

Brilliant thread, but Tyson had too much define muscle due to body building v Holy which he didn`t do when he trained correctly under Rooney, Tyson threw the fastest counters in heavyweight history along with Ruiz and Ali, he landed few counters v Holy though.

 

I agree, but AJ would not have rushed in like an idiot the way he did after he knocked Ruiz down, and he still doesn`t know that`s why he lost! Tyson`s trainers mid 80`s were far better than AJ`s trainers are now.

 

Holyfield fought a "Tyson" who missed like twenty hooks over Holyfield head by simply ducking down.
A "Tyson" who even missed with the jab, DESPITE Giachetti advising Tyson to adjust. Holyfield fought a Tua-Tyson.

But yes, Ruiz has fast hands. Shame he cannot get in better shape.

 

Ruiz didn't even have faster hands than Joshua. Joshua was beating him to the punch before he got hurt.

Ruiz to my eyes just doesn't appear to have very fast hands, I don't care what anyone says. Joshua is getting off full combos before Ruiz can launch one hook. Ruiz even takes multiple shots in the process of throwing. The problem is that Joshua freezes when he's hit, Ruiz keeps throwing leather and easily overwhelms him.

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Tyson had fast hands compared to most heavyweights. Andy Ruiz had fast hands compared to the crap we have today. Ruiz hands aren't even faster than somebody like Michael Dokes.

 

Tyson was very fast in the Holyfield fights, especially the opening rounds and the rematch where Mike was very slim.

I think it's a matter of perspective, Holyfield was likely much slower when he sparred Ruiz...than when he fought Tyson. So naturally Ruiz seemed faster. That's assuming Evander is being honest and not just taking the ****, who knows, boxers say crazy things all the time.


Sometimes we just have to trust our eyes no matter what someone says. Look how fast Tyson is with that right hand lead, and those combos...man, there is no comparison. People forgetting he was beating Evander to the punch and tagging him in the first few rounds.

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Put a prime Tyson YT vid compared to Holyfield-Tyson on parallel watch and check this again. He was horrible. Another point of hand speed it hitting the spot. You can be quick as Bruce Lee but hitting air, I´ll bet Holyfield wouldn´t complain about trouble with handspeed. In boxing, you do need a good amount of force as quick as possible on the spot. Imho two of these three things were missing considerably watching the comp. parallel.

 

No, we are comparing the Tyson of the Holyfield fights to Ruiz. Just because Tyson was slower than he was in his 20s, doesn't mean he was slow or "horrible". That Tyson was still faster than most can dream of being, especially with how quick he could bomb that right or follow up with those hooks. And Tyson in the rematch in terms of overall speed and movement was comparable to his prime self physically as much as a man in his early 30s can be, his upper body movement was very impressive.

Weird comments here, man. Mike was hitting Evander and even when he wasn't, Evander was having to use a lot of his own energy and focus to evade and regain his balance. It wasn't until Mike slowed he could get his own offense off. Evander certainly didn't like those right hands catching him before he could get his own punches off, or those left hooks sneaking inside his guard. Holyfield certainly was troubled and respectful of Mike's hand speed in the opening rounds.

It's not fun fighting someone who is faster, especially if they hit as hard as Mike.

 

They were, rooney knew what Tyson needed to do. He shoulda stuck with Kevin! And Tyson would probably never taste the canvas against AJ, it took a substantial beating to knock him down.

 

Anyway, my point is.

"Ruiz beat Joshua with handspeed" is not the narrative I took from the fight.

I felt Joshua had faster hands, but Ruiz beat him with durability and aggression. Ruiz was willing to take a punch or two to club Joshua down. Joshua wanted to hit and not be hit, and wasn't willing to exchange. He shelled up ineffectively when Ruiz walked through his punches and started swinging.

 

No.

 

Tyson's hand speed had diminished significantly when he fought Holyfield (not that it would've been the game changer)

 

I agree with Tyson beeng "horrible" is a comparison to what he was in the past.

But in general, I think Tyson against Evander is overrated. You might be a off to what extend Tyson was competitive in the fight.

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/finally-mike-tyson-vs-evander-holyfield-i

Holyfield simply reacted and countered, rince and repeat, until he broke a slowing Tyson down.

Again to the debate of hand speed: Tysons punches came via rotational movement of the body, resulting in more mass. He didn´t throw that much arm punches. Someone might assume the quickness of that style by checking how quick, or how erratic his movements resulted in punching. Often defensive erraticness resulted in the position to punch, going hand in hand with each other via the philisophy of "always beeing balanced and in the position to punch".

From my point of view, Tyson didn´t bring his hands on the pinpoint the same time as he did beeing young:

http://youtubedoubler.com/tds9