A guy that started his career at 106 lbs is weight draining his opponents. lol, you can't even make this **** up.
The Dela Hoya fight was done at 147. The first 147 fight in Pac's career. It was the Cotto fight where the weight limit was 145.
This fight is nothing like the Pac and DLH fight. One huge difference is DLH was the one who wanted the fight. So yes , having it at 147 was legit since DLH campaigned as high as 160. The Canelo and Kovalev is different cause it is Canelo who is challenging. It should be at 175. Which it is and should be.
There's a reason Canelo and his team took this fight. There's a reason the bookies have Kov as a +400 underdog YARDE almost knocked out Kovalev Yes we're all rooting for Kov but Canelo will KO the older fighter but go ahead and keep putting money on Kovalev
There are several topics and a lack of a consensus on whether there was a 145 lb catchweight or whether it was just a regular 147 lb bout. In this topic : https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/pacquiao-vs-de-la-hoya-was-a-catchweight-fight.202001 While some posters point out that the weigh-in commentators acted surprised when DLH weighed in at 145 instead of the 147 limit, In post #164 this poster claims that Roach said on ESPN that he wouldnt allow Pac to fight if Oscar was over 145, and that he posted an interview where Oscar was asked specifically if he can make 145. In this topic : https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/what-was-the-weight-limit-for-de-la-hoya-pacquiao.345448/ There is speculation on both sides about whether DLH was targetting 145. In both of these topics there is a split between posters who believe it was a 145-lb catchweight and posters that believe it was just a regular 147 bout. We know DLH weighted in at 145 at the weigh-in. It may have just been a 147 lbs fight but the fact that like you said Pac went on to demand Cotto make 145 and there's also statements made by Roach and reports about Marquez being pressured to agree to a catchweight of 144 rather than fight at the JWW limit, there's a lot of suggestion that Pac-Man and his team demanded catchweights and ended up draining fighters who were bigger.
Still took the p4p 1 to SD, much better than kovalev going life and death with a newbie who doesn’t even spar in yarde. And there wasn’t a catchweight, fight took place at WW after ODLH called Pac out to go up to that weight to meet him because Floyd backed out of their rematch at 147 (which Floyd demanded at that weight).
Biggest BS ever. Has ODLH, Schaefer, Arum, Pac ever confirmed that it was a 145 catchweight? Talk about grasping at straws. Like every fight where fighters weighed in under the exact weight limit is a catchweight? It just goes to show people will make up anything and run with it to try discredit Pac. Your source is literally a boxing forum, lmao, a place where people share opinions. My god you’re thick.
In this RingTV article, De La Hoya vs Pacquiao is described as "a curious catchweight clash" : https://www.ringtv.com/120091-fighter-of-the-year-manny-pacquiao/ It certainly wasn't annouced as a catchweight fight, but back in 2008 catchweights weren't always widely reported. Sometimes there would be a catchweight and you wouldn't even know it. Nowadays catchweights have become so common that they get reported as such. In 2008 it was much different, they didn't always release all the details of contracts like they do now. At the very least it's odd that DLH weighed in at 145 lbs if he could have weighed up to 147. Here's another source for you. This article : https://www.pressreader.com/philippines/the-philippine-star/20150429/282127815027082 states: "Pacquiao and De la Hoya met at a catchweight of 145 pounds. When the fight began, someone noticed I.V. marks on De la Hoya's arm. He probably had an infusion of dextrose to counter dehydration." So that's two legit source claiming they fought at a catchweight, plus a good amount of posters on this forum believing it was a catchweight. Why else would DLH kill himself trying to make 145 if he was allowed to make 147?
Yeah it's a bad look for Pac fans, but Canelo should be applauded for taking the risk he's agreed to.
A few fights ago Kovalev was gone. Honestly thought he was done and overrated. Here we are he fights Alvarez he is great again. Instantly perception changes he is a monster can't believe Canelo fighting this guy notion.
You cannot be serious??? Some journalist making an error isn’t evidence, that ludicrous. If that was evidence then then just lol, there’s journalistic error in just about everything. The only thing that matters and credible sources are fight records, promoters and fighters and even coaches going on record. That fight had HUGE publicity over the meeting at 147. And many thought Pac was done for. If there was any indication at all that there was a catchweight of 145, that would have shifted betting odds and ODLH and Pac team would have mentioned it, you know, like they mentioned it for cotto and Margarito?? I’ve never seen anything so devoid of logic ever. Literally I could bring up 1000 articles stating the fight at 147 and you find 2 articles from with journalistic errors and you run with that? Lol. In fact here’s one for you https://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3634701 Specially important as hauler is extremely credible and mentions that the “contracted weight of 147”. And if you want to be educated further, the reason why some people refer to it as a catchweight fight is because of their lack of understanding of what a catchweight actually is. Because ODLH was coming from 154 (150 actually fight with Forbes) and Pac was coming from 135, people assumed that it was a catchweight at 147 as they’re meeting in the middle. Then some morons run with it and say they fought at a catchweight and ODLH weighed 145 and so it was a catchweight fight which odlh weighed 145 for. Simply, morons wrote that and then morons follow it due overall lack of understanding of what a catchweight actually is.
Also here is something more definitive than your forum post references and some obscure article with vague reference: https://larrybrownsports.com/boxing/manny-pacquiao-extract-3-million-pound-oscars-weight/2349 $3mil for every pound that Oscar is over the 147lb limit. “I have already talked with Bob Arum and he told me that Oscar has agreed that the penalty will be $ 3 million for every pound or a fraction thereof in excess of 147 lbs (during the weighin),”said Pacquiao lawyer Franklin Gacal yesterday. And Schaefer his promoter at the time more or less confirms the weight: The three issues stalling the deal are the size of the boxing gloves, De La Hoya’s weight limit, and the financial split. “Oscar hasn’t made 147 pounds in almost ten years,” said Schaeffer to the Asian Journal during the Shane Mosley vs. Ricardo Mayorga press conference. “And we know from experience that a boxer could lose the match on the scales. The size of the gloves is also an issue. Oscar is used to wearing 10 ounce gloves while Manny usually wears 8 ounce gloves in his fights.” - no mention of 145, in fact they were trying to get it at 149-150: “We have to do a lot of work on those three issues: the size of gloves, the weight – either at 149 or 150 pounds and financial split,” said Schaeffer. You have 0 credibility, just goes to show people will peddle anything in hopes people are moronic enough to run with it.
I get all that and I didn't argue that it was a catchweight, only that some people stated it was, and that it was odd that DLH would kill himself to make 145 if he could make 147, particularly when the next year he did have a catchweight fight with Cotto at 145. That's an odd coincidence at the very least. And fair point about Forbes being at 150, though DLH initially weighed-in a half lb over 150 for Forbes but he eventually made weight, so he obviously was struggling to make 150 for Forbes. So you do the math, if he was struggling to make 150 vs Forbes he must have had to starve himself to make 147 let alone 145. What many people can't wrap their heads around and why there was speculation about a catchweight for Manny is why DLH over-shot draining to 147 by 2 full lbs. And even if it wasn't a catchweight, for Pacquiao to force DLH to drain down to 147 at 35 years a weight he hadn't fought at in about a decade is pretty crazy. It wasn't even for a title, why didn't Pac fight DLH at 150 like he did vs Forbes? Pacquiao fought David Diaz at 135, granted there was still a big weight difference between Pac-Man and DLH, but to drain a 35 year old like that, in a non-title fight is bad. And for DLH to end up weighing in at 145 is a head-scratcher. I don't get why DLH would kill himelf to take off 2 extra lbs when he didn't have to. How do you explain that? Not only that but Pacquiao would end up campaigning at 147 for the rest of his career, and even fought at 154 less than 2 years after fighting DLH when he fought Margacheato. DLH looked like a corpse at 145 vs Pacquiao, it was a terrible look for boxing and it never should have happened. DLH never should have been forced to drain himself to 145 or even 147, he was a natural 154-lb fighter who had to drain himself just to make 150 for Forbes. No way should he have been forced to fight below that, especailly in a non-title fight. It was atrocious. Well I didn't argue it was a catchweight, I'm simply stating that many people believed that it was, and more importantly it was odd that DLH would kill himself to weigh 145 and Pac would go on to have a 145 catchweight vs Cotto a year later. Regardless of whether Pac-DLH was a catchweight or not, the title of this topic is about the hypocrisy of Pac fans criticizing Canelo and the fact that Canelo isn't draining Kovalev. The fact is that Pac-Man drained DLH a 35-year old man AND drained Cotto a year later. Canelo never drained anybody like that, like Pac-Man did.
