Tyson Fury - Overrated, underrated or somewhere in between?

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  1. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Well according to a recent survey 20 per cent of me is in touch with my feminine side.

    Which is a healthy amount, but I personally feel I am in touch with feminines far more than 20%
     
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  2. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    Tony is quite dogmatic when it comes to other people’s opinions on Tyson Fury. It’s like nailing jelly to a wall...When you believe you have presented him with some evidence or simply formulated and presented your own opinion, he simply does not absorb it. He can have several people telling him the same thing but a week or two later it’s like he just resets and none of the previous discussion took place and he repeats his hate fuelled opinion.

    I just accept him for what he is now. He used to wind me up rotten but these days I just smile at his posts.
     
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  3. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Steward could of created a heavyweight Thomas Hearns... frightening thought really
     
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  4. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Same here. He only ever really posts ticket sales, PPV numbers and Fury hate. I'm not even sure he watches the fights. Least with Aydamn you KNOW he watches and enjoys boxing with a good grasp of it.
     
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  5. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nailing jelly to a wall is a great analogy.

    The reason I keep responding to him is because I can't fathom why you'd have so much ill-will towards someone you don't know. From reading his many posts on Fury, it seems like genuine hatred which I can't really comprehend.

    Last week when he was saying the same things, he said Fury hadn't talked about his treatment - I gave him links to interviews where he does - no acknowledgement and a week later is banging the same drum.

    He also doesn't respond properly to a good point about Gypsy culture and opening up about vulnerabilities.

    Maybe I won't bother responding to him - he's made up his mind on Fury; he absolutely detests him and nothing any of us can say will change that. He will probably accuse us of being 'fanboys' but I actually think regular posters on here who like Fury are fairly balanced. The only person I'd genuinely describe as a Fury 'fanboy' is that 'Tyson Fury Goat' poster or that weird Stig guy from Twitter.
     
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  6. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's an accurate description. Worth also noting that he's been caught literally making things up about Fury and continuously twists forum user posts to suit his peculiar agenda.

    Anyway, here we are, another Tyson Fury thread dominated by Tony Hayers. Imagine he has the audacity to call some of us Fury fans fanboys. Nobody on the forum talks about Fury as much as Hayers. 'Hater' is too weak a word to describe that strange man.
     
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  7. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    And here we are, the high emperor of Fury’s fanboy club. The man who was so desperate to prove how much of a stone cold all time great Fury was that he described him as ‘almost impossible to hit.’ The same person who argued Deontay Wilder was better than a prime Lennox Lewis to suit his Fury fanaticism. And of course, never one to let Fury’s rank unpopularity get in the way of his fantasy that Tyson has become some considerable ‘cracked America’ crossover star, insisted the T-Mobile Arena looked to have done great business for the Wallin fight. A shame about the nineteen thousand or so unsold tickets.

    It’s all just more evidence to prove how overrated he is. He’s good, but he’s not that good. Fights between him, Wilder and Joshua would be close, and none of them are that good either. This is what I don’t get. He’s got a close, low action win over Wlad, a draw with Wilder, and after that we’re down to Chisora and this is enough for some to see him as an absolute all time legend of the sport. It’s genuinely hard to understand.
     
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  8. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I’m not addressing the argument which is rooted in ‘Tyson wouldn’t lie - he’s a traveller.’

    As for your post, supposedly full of evidence, there was none. It was the usual pretend mental illness nonsense. ‘I knew I needed help, I was so depressed, I wanted to kill myself.’ Ok Tyson - so if some kid out there is reading this what should they do? ‘I just fell back in love with boxing. If I can do it anyone can. Ps, do you know I give all my money to charity? Please don’t mention my drugs ban.’
     
  9. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did your wife leave you for a gypsy?
     
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  10. Citizen Smith

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    Tony does raise a valid point about evidence. Mental illness is a very touchy subject so obviously people jump to Tyson's defence, but saying something isn't proof of anything. Tyson has a history of talking nonsense; it's one thing one day and the opposite the next. No one here can prove one way or the other whether he is or was ill and to what extent. Likewise, no one can prove he was not ill. And no one can ask him to provide evidence, but there is no doubt that he has pushed himself as the spokesman for the mentally ill and certainly added to his own profile.

    That's not to say that ultimately it won't inspire those people who are at rock bottom, so if it helps some poor Joe to watch a vid and then get himself out of bed and go for a walk, then fair enough.
     
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  11. Twentyman

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    Thing is, apart from a few people on a boxing forum, I don’t see this big shout out from people demanding that he proves his mental illness. Secondly, what actual evidence do people want presenting to them...do they expect a doctor to come forward and discuss his diagnosis with the media, cos they’re bound by the rules of their own profession in regards to confidentiality and would be struck off if they did. Add that to the first point I made where Tyson might not feel the need to prove it to a tiny minority like Tony Hayes.

    The final point which I will make is that diagnosis is subjective based on how the patient explains their symptoms and their outward behaviours which the psychiatrist will observe. Psychiatrists use the ICD diagnostic book in this country (DSM in America) to help them diagnose mental health issues. In fact, he could no doubt be diagnosed by them by the evidence in the media over the years although once again they are bound by their own rules and cannot openly discuss diagnosis without the consent of the person.

    There is no blood test, no MRI, no objective tool that gives a result for depression or bipolar. Which can be presented to Tony in a framed certificate as proof that Fury is telling the truth.

    What I will say is, you have someone who at his lowest is suicidal who is coming out in the media telling people this. Maybe Tony wants them to keep quiet, suffer in silence until they take their own lives then we can say ‘I never saw that coming, they never said anything’. Is it any wonder, with Stone Age attitudes like Tony’s accusing them of lying.
     
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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah...but also a very cool thing to think about ;)
     
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  13. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Thing is, my attitude isn’t Stone Age by any stretch. See if you can read the following. Mental health is a horrendous problem which affects many people terribly. As a society we need to understand it, accept it, and work to help people who are affected before they are unable to be helped. We need to understand that it’s not a case of ‘pulling yourself together’ or ‘manning up.’ It can affect the rich and poor, the young and old, and should be seen in the same light as physical illness.

    But...

    That doesn’t mean I have to believe serial liar Tyson Fury. If anyone is Stone Age it’s him. And the reaction when he became ill raised suspicions. ‘Tyson’s in a bad place because he doesn’t feel he got the recognition after Klitschko that he deserved.’ That’s not how mental health works. It’s indiscriminate. You don’t become mentally ill because some people said you were in a boring fight.

    I’m sorry, but it all just feels too convenient. A serial liar explaining away a drugs ban.
     
  14. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it's near enough pointless replying to you on Fury, I think this should be the policy on here - maybe it would make you start talking about something else for once if you didn't get any engagement from anyone when you try to criticise Fury.

    What is 'evidence' exactly? What would be required?

    Firstly - why is it any of anyone's business what treatment he had for mental health?

    Secondly - why do people feel they need to know? What's wrong with just taking someone's word for it?
     
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