What's keeping Sumbu Kalambay from the IBHOF?

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, McCallum, of course. He thoroughly outboxed a true all time master!

    Kalambay was like a better Floyd Mayweather. Just unknown
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    McCallum seems like it the biggest, but Herol Graham may have been a bigger fight since they staged it in Wembley. I don't see any attendence or viewer numbers.

    (He was like a worse Mayweather.)
     
  3. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh I see, you've backtracked again. So not his best win??

    The Nunn fight like I said, it was a big deal on HBO to find the next Hagler.

    It was only Wembley Arena for Graham-Sumbu, so around 1,200 might've attended, probably a lot less.
     
  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McCallum-Sumbu wasn't televised live in the US or UK, or the second fight for that matter. They were small-time fighters, as was Graham. Its why Chris Eubank chose Gary Stretch instead of any of those three - they brought nothing to the table, and Stretch was dating celebs in all the glossy mags.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Ok, so McCallum was the biggest for fame other than Nunn which is what I was looking for. Obviously it was his best win.
     
  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know really, it was pretty unseen outstde of Italy. Maybe Graham as it was on BBC and Bomber's first loss (some felt he'd never lose)
     
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  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. Which is why I think the style of Barkley was great to beat Hearns. Some fights have the key to beating other fighters.
     
  8. Tin_Ribs

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    Kalambay had little backing or exposure until too late, even prior to beating Bomber. He was brought along very slowly in his early career when he probably could've been moved quicker against better opposition to become a serious contender sooner. He hadn't fought anyone of note prior to fighting Thomas on the Arroyo-Paul undercard and wasn't quite the assertive pure boxer at that point that he'd become, and even in Italy he was more or less unknown. Compare him to Larocca, the other import of the day, who was hugely hyped and mapped to a title shot despite not being half the fighter Sumbu was, just because he fought like Ali. Ridiculous in hindsight. He only really got the fight against Graham because of the Kalule loss; he'd lost a dubious decision to a rejuvenated Kalule, whereas Kalule looked utterly shot in his next fight against Graham and took a beating. Not hard to see why Bomber and his folks foolishly saw Kalambay as a soft touch and keep busy fight prior to a title shot.
     
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  9. Henry Hank

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    One thing that never seems to get mentioned when discussing Kalambay is the massive gift he got in the second Graham fight that was an awfull decision that prevented Graham from reaching his dream of becoming a world champion.

    As for the HOF if we only talk about skills then he should be there but if we talk resume i would say hes borderline.
     
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  10. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So after seeing the recent list of fighters on their ballad I can safely say that compared to the others who are being considered Kalambay should be more than qualified for the IBHOF. Some of these names are just ridiculous and Kalambay's wins and resume is just so much better. It really does show how low their standards are.

    Yuri Arbachakov
    Jorge Arce
    Paulie Ayala
    Nigel Benn
    Vuyani Bungu
    Sot Chitalada
    Timothy Bradley
    Ivan Calderon
    Joel Casamayor
    Diego Corrales
    Chris Eubank
    Carl Froch
    Leo Gamez
    Ricky Hatton
    Genaro Hernandez
    Bernard Hopkins
    Chris John
    Mikkel Kessler
    Rocky Lockridge
    Santos Laciar
    Miguel Lora
    Sergio Martinez
    Juan Manuel Marquez & Rafael Marquez
    Henry Maske
    Dariusz Michalczewski
    Sung-Kil Moon
    Michael Moorer
    Shane Mosley
    Orzubek Nazarov
    Sven Ottke
    Vinny Pazienza
    Gilberto Roman
    Gianfranco Rosi
    Samuel Serrano
    Antonio Tarver
    Meldrick Taylor
    Fernando Vargas
    Israel Vazquez
    Wilfredo Vazquez
    Ratanapol Sor Vorapin
     
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  11. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    I think that feeling the obligation to induct every year , watered down the process. Even still, I understand why Kulumbay isn't in surely should be questioned when someone like Gatti got inducted, posthumous.
    Not even sure I'd have a category for writers etc, but they make it. And their biggest joke was inducting Stallone for Balboa.

    But I was silenced in my criticism as many fans tried to get next to Chavez, Hagler, Tyson who in turn were swooning over Stallone. It was weird and hilarious to witness.
     
  12. Flo_Raiden

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  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's just a popularity vote. He wasn't seen much in America.
     
  14. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's been plenty of fighters that had little exposure in America that still got in the IBHOF such as Jung Koo Chang, Brian Mitchell, Duillio Loi, Hilario Zapata, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Masao Ohba, etc.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    His resume is a bit thin, and he got demolished by Nunn.

    When people talk about Kalambay they talk about a good 2 years, not a good career.