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Who is The Greatest Asian Fighter of All time???

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Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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I got a revelation for you. Something you conveniently left out. Pac fought Marquez 6 months after Barrera. Harada fought Espinosa 8 weeks after Jofre (non title bout). He then fought Antonio Herrera (non title bout) in just 3 months after that. Then defended his title against Jose Medel just over 2 months after that. Had another fight (non title) against Palacio 3 months later, AND defended once again against Carabal 3 months latter. When he wasn't fighting the top contenders of his day, he stayed busy. Don't try to pass off that rubbish of "see who my guy fought" and "see who your guy fought" with out suppling all the facts. Another sorry joke I've taken exception to is your pointing out that Harada fought mostly at home while Pacquiao fights mostlyb abroad. What you fail to take into consideration is the amount of money that a little fighter can make in the US today compared to when Harada fought. Do you seriously have any doubt that if Harada could make Pacmany type money (hell, Derrick Gainer type money) that he would have any problem fighting outside his homeland? If you do, immediatly take off your shoe laces and hang yourself, you are smart enough to keep breathing.
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Do you expect everything to be written in one thread?! now do what you are saying? take of your shoe and hang yourself!!!

If you want eveything to be said all at the same time. GO write a book about Harada.

Like what other harada fans were saying..." times were dfferent! " but that does not change the fact that after a big fight with jorfe HARADA opted to cheery pick. Fighting somebody with a fantastic record of 1-5-0!

It's a fact and you can't change it!

Everybody fights a bum in their career but harada fought a bum on his prime years and after a big fight! Fighting a bum?! There is no excuse for that wether you like it not!

Now, before you hang yourself. Go write a book about HARADA. After all you could hardly see respected writers talking about HARADA.

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Do you expect everything to be written in one thread?! now do what you are saying? take of your shoe and hang yourself!!!

If you want eveything to be said all at the same time. GO write a book about Harada.

Like what other harada fans were saying..." times were dfferent! " but that does not change the fact that after a big fight with jorfe HARADA opted to cheery pick. Fighting somebody with a fantastic record of 1-5-0!

It's a fact and you can't change it!

Everybody fights a bum in their career but harada fought a bum on his prime years and after a big fight! Fighting a bum?! There is no excuse for that wether you like it not!

Now, before you hang yourself. Go write a book about HARADA. After all you could hardly see respected writers talking about HARADA.
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I thought you left hours ago

I went to the dentist had 2 teeth pulled and you are still here pleading your caseatsch

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PolishPummler said:

I thought you left hours ago

I went to the dentist had 2 teeth pulled and you are still here pleading your caseatsch
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here you go again! Talking about the person and not what I'm saying!!!!

Would you PLEASE grow up! :yep . You can talk intelligently by talking about what is being discussed than having an imagination about dentist stuff!

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By the way, I'm not pleading coz I'm stating a FACT that he fought a bum after a big fight and you are the one pleading and ignoring a fact that he fought a bum right after a big fight!

Don't twist the truth buddy!!!!

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Silvermags said:

Everybody fights a bum in their career but harada fought a bum on his prime years and after a big fight! Fighting a bum?! There is no excuse for that wether you like it not!

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Fighting in non-title bouts is something that was done regularly by champions back then as it was a way of staying sharp and in fighting shape in between title fights. Ring legends like Duran, Monzon, Galindez, Robinson, Armstrong, Jofre, Olivares, Chang to name but a few fought several non-title fights, including many after some of their most significant wins against fighters with similar records to the Harada opponent you make mention of.

How can you say with a straight face that there is no excuse for taking such a fight? Back then you didn`t have the kind of money going around like we have today with even the little guys making millions, fighters had to fight more often to make and if you were a champion you could make some dough while waiting for a big fight to materialize and at the same time you stay active which keeps your reflexes sharp.

If you ask me that is a rather smart thing to do, and todays chumps would IMO benefit greatly by participating in some these non-title fights to stay busy instead of being on the shelf for 4 to 6 months in between fights. Either way, your mind is clearly made up on the subject at hand and I shall not bother trying to convince you otherwise, but I will say though that you ought not to speak of things you know nothing about, as you only make yourself look foolish by doing so and this particular topic is obviosuly not your strong point.
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Sweet Pea said:

That is absurd to me. I understand lack of popularity among the mainstream public and casual boxing fan, but I figure the HOF commitee would be a bit wiser.
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There's plenty of greats they have overlooked for years and years, and continue to overlook, so it's not really surprising.

Thing is, I think Ebihara, Medel and Famechon are more worthy than Kingpetch.

Kingpetch got some HIGHLY dubious calls go his way against Harada and Ebihara. He should have lost both those fights. Even still, his wins against Perez and Seki can't be overlooked. Perez was getting on in years and put up a great last stand in the first Kingpetch fight which he arguably nicked, but Kingpetch turned the screws on him in the rematch.

Guys like Ebihara, Medel and Famechon all have excellent resumes and are better fighters than some currently occupying the HOF.

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By the way, I'm not pleading coz I'm stating a FACT that he fought a bum after a big fight and you are the one pleading and ignoring a fact that he fought a bum right after a big fight!

Don't twist the truth buddy!!!!
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**** and Balls out the mouth.

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Silvermags said:

Fighting in non-title bouts is something that was done regularly by champions back then as it was a way of staying sharp and in fighting shape in between title fights. Ring legends like Duran, Monzon, Galindez, Robinson, Armstrong, Jofre, Olivares, Chang to name but a few fought several non-title fights, including many after some of their most significant wins against fighters with similar records to the Harada opponent you make mention of.

How can you say with a straight face that there is no excuse for taking such a fight? Back then you didn`t have the kind of money going around like we have today with even the little guys making millions, fighters had to fight more often to make and if you were a champion you could make some dough while waiting for a big fight to materialize and at the same time you stay active which keeps your reflexes sharp.

If you ask me that is a rather smart thing to do, and todays chumps would IMO benefit greatly by participating in some these non-title fights to stay busy instead of being on the shelf for 4 to 6 months in between fights. Either way, your mind is clearly made up on the subject at hand and I shall not bother trying to convince you otherwise, but I will say though that you ought not to speak of things you know nothing about, as you only make yourself look foolish by doing so and this particular topic is obviosuly not your strong point.
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Very well stated. Thank you. I highly doubt I could have put it in civil terms the second time around.
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PacDbest said:

All boxing expert today are saying JMM, MAB & EM are all lock to the HOF. Kingpetch went 1-1 against Harada & Ebihara. He never has a legit reign at the title. He won it the lost it again. SEki's the same no title longgetivity.
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If there was only one belt per weight division JMM wouldn't have had a legit title reign either. Other than Pacquiao, his resume is littered with past prime fighters, many of whom were never that great to begin with.

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If there was only one belt per weight division JMM wouldn't have had a legit title reign either. Other than Pacquiao, his resume is littered with past prime fighters, many of whom were never that great to begin with.
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jmm's title reign at 130 is legit and lineal.

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**** and Balls out the mouth.
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As expected! :good

Nothing related to boxing is coming out of your mouth!

If you talk about **** and balls! You are in the wrong forum buddy!

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Sweet Pea said:

Sasakul's only big win was a past prime Arbachakov in the last fight of his career, whom he'd lost to in the first fight. If you think Sasakul is a HOF'er, then there's no question all of the fighters I named would be first ballot. You're just too pig-headed and ignorant to realize this. Every single one of them has a better resume than Sasakul, as well as JMM while we're at it.
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past prime?? nice try buddy. same old line. past prime for someone who only fought 24 professional fight with only 1 lost courtesy of sasakul?? :rofl :rofl :rofl

sasakul fought 67 times. first lost was a controversial one against lineal arbachakov in japan. then they had to do it again in japan for rematch. you are underestimating someone you even dont know if not for me schooling you about sasakul and the rematch happened in the span of only 2 years after arbachakov defended his title only 2 times against juarez and tokuchi via ud and tko. quite a nice excuse on your part saying past prime just to save your ass :yep :yep :yep

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past prime?? nice try buddy. same old line. past prime for someone who only fought 24 professional fight with only 1 lost courtesy of sasakul?? :rofl :rofl :rofl

sasakul fought 67 times. first lost was a controversial one against lineal arbachakov in japan. then they had to do it again in japan for rematch. you are underestimating someone you even dont know if not for me schooling you about sasakul and the rematch happened in the span of only 2 years after arbachakov defended his title only 2 times against juarez and tokuchi via ud and tko. quite a nice excuse on your part saying past prime just to save your ass :yep :yep :yep
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School him Johnco!!!:good :hey

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