Tyson Fury - Overrated, underrated or somewhere in between?

Very good points Aydamn totally agree. Housing situation, especially for younger people, has got to change.

 

We need a bit of corbyn in to balance out what we’ve had over the last 40 years.

Is he prefect, hell no! But otherwise it’s a slow slide to being like America. No public investment and the few at the top running riot.

 

There are two ways to answer this--ability and accomplishment.

Ability
Common enough story in boxing: a great talent who has demons. A six-nine boxer who goes twelve without issue and fights ambidextrous is a great talent, and anyone who says different just does not understand the sport they watch. But those demons waste years of shelf-life and sap his strength.

Accomplishment
Unseated a two-time champ with 23 defenses, but has failed to follow it up with a single other impressive victory. About 90% of the boxing community thinks he beat Wilder, and I agree, but sadly. he was robbed and that is that.

Make of it what you will. If he beats Wilder next year, he is an ATG in my book. But yes, his career is open to interpretation.

 

Ambidexterity is rare. Some sportsmen learn to use their least favoured side but it takes years. The most naturally gifted sportsman and perhaps the most difficult sport to try with both hands, is Ronnie O Sullivan and he will openly admit he is not as good left handed.

Tyson is clumsy when switching and when he tried it against Wilder it was brief and he gave up on it.

Re the Tyson / Wilder result; it was officially a draw, so we ought to stop saying that Tyson won. His constitution in that fight (and others) was amazing, but he was splattered in the 12th and had gone down before that. 12 months on he has fought two non entities, the 2nd of which almost ended him. He is very, very far from great.

 

There are ATGs that have no title defenses, and lest be honest that belts mean almost nothing these days, unless you unify.

As for Wilder, no, no, and no. Fury has already done the heavy lifting by beating an all-time great, two-time champ (with three belts) and 23 defenses. Wilder had beaten nobody in defense of his one paper championship.

Now, if they have a great SERIES of matches in which both guys win one, them yeah, sure. But your contention that Wilder is on the cusp for beathing guys like Moina, Duhapuas, Szpika and Ortiz, who was almost not medically cleared for the fight, is laughable.

 

Greatness is made by wins, not your perception of his ability. He has already done the heavy lifting in his career by defeating a great champion.

If he defeats Wilder, then his record starts to look pretty good. He will not be denied.

But I admit that is an "if."

 

Wins can be great, but they don't just make you an ATG. You have to follow them up or have a few defenses. Douglas's win again Tyson was a Great win, but I wouldn't go off and say that Douglas is a great fighter or ATG status fighter. He literally did nothing significant after that win.

 

The top 2-3% who pay 40% of the tax would leave the country if a communist got in.

Which is exactly what happened when Holland was President in France. They lost 1,000 of the wealthiest highest tax payers and their economy did horse sized poos all over the bed.

For some reason communists never think of these little details. As they are so blinded by people who are more successful and richer than them. Who by the way worked hard to get where they are today.

Years of governments obsessed with tax and spend. Authoritarian governments. What we need is a more libertarian approach and for government to shrink and stop interfering in our lives.

 

He is overrated. He doesn't have any real belts, never made a defense and he doesn't have the resume for me to say he is the best in the division. The only time he was the best in the division, was 2015. Can't say he is the best in the world if the man doesn't even have a belt. He needs at least 2 belts for me to consider if hes the best in the division.

 

You have exactly made my point for me and restated what I stated. A good, officali Wilder win will be the follow up he needs and has been lacking. Thanks.

 

No, Wlad was. Wilder would be a good back-up win. You don;t kave to beat a series of ATGs. In fact, ATGs don't usually overlap, so it isn't possible for most.

 

A good Wilder win would obviously be great for Tyson but every all time great has a few major wins complimented by beating the majority of top level competition in their era. Take Lewis for example. Nobody looks at the individual wins against Bruno, Mason, Ruddock, Briggs, Golota, Tua, Rahman, Grant and so on and thinks ‘that’s unbelievable.’ But put them all together and you have a seriously good CV.

Fury has the Klitschko win, but after that he’s not gone near the modern equivalents of the above. Could/should have fought Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz, Haye, Whyte, Parker, Chagaev. But he’s fought none of them. We’ll see how it pans out but your status isn’t just based on your biggest fights.

 

Could not of said it better. There are so much fighters that Fury could've had on his Resume, but he just doesn't have a worthy name either than Wlad. Even if he does beat Wilder... he ain't no ATG if there's another man out there carrying 3 of the other belts.