These "Usyk is too small for HW" threads need to stop

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  1. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Bearing in mind you first questioned the advantage of the extra weight and then went on to explain the reason why it does not benefit Ruiz because he doesn't use his added bulk to enhance his game (in reference to the four points I made and as a concession to the possibility extra weight can make a positive difference) as of now I'm not entirely sure you know what question you are asking any more. Which makes it even tougher to answer.

    We'll move on.
     
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  2. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    I'm not a Joshua fan by any means but I think he beats all 3 of these guys or at least he should
     
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  3. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    I can never decide about prime Haye vs any version of Joshua. His HW prime was so short and his career fell off such a cliff at the end, it's hard to think of him as a viable victor over AJ. But then, if that haymaker landed.

    I forgot how good Byrd's resume was until you mentioned him....
     
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    He re-matched Brewster and won big. A Sanders re-match was on the table, but he lost and retired. You're missing the point. LEWIS, WLAD, and VITALI are much better than what we have today and fought better opposition.
     
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  5. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    My initial question (a rhetorical one) was whether Ruiz was undersized for the division, i.e. too small to compete, the reasoning being, that if he wasn't then neither was Usyk. You tried to draw a distinction between Ruiz and Usyk based on their weights which I didn't find convincing. The rest of our posts involved you trying to argue for and me against the idea that Ruiz's weight was somehow an advantage to him, which seemed to morph into a generic 'weight is an advantage in general' stance, which is not something I initially argued against.

    My point is very simple, and is that Usyk is not too small for the division to succeed. TBH, whether or not he could compete successfully at 260+ lbs of rolling flab is irrelevant to me, and a sideline from the main argument, but that's the way you seemed to want to steer the argument so it would have been rude to just cut you off.
     
  6. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wladimir Klitsche ordered his brother to batter Corrie Sanders, in which he duly obliged.

    I think that Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko are better than Wladimir Klitschko.
     
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  7. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    @Big Ukrainian thread showed a weight disparity of 215-242. I think it is small. Not to say he can't pummel the guy. Logic says he will, but I doubt he will one punch KO.. Not due to a lack of power, but weight difference.

    Wilder weight is based on little to no body fat. Different body structure to compare their similar weight, IMO!
     
  8. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    I still don't understand how Wilder remains so freakishly light for his height and physical dimensions. Even skinny though he is, he's six seven with wide shoulders and a lot of muscle mass all over his body (even his legs). Tony Yoka is built similarly but regularly comes in around 230-240. Weird.
     
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  9. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anyone who says that Usyk is too small to compete at HW is truly ******ed.

    He is a big enough size to compete against anyone of any height and weight at HW.

    Yes the top 3 out of the current top 4 are very tall. But none of them are unbeatable and I expect Wilder and Tyson Fury to both taste defeat as AJ has at some point. More likely more than once too.

    Previous CW champions who have moved up have done well. For example, Holyfield and Haye.
     
  10. iamtheman

    iamtheman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    his frame size seems to be smaller than you'd expect from the average HW (i've seen much lighter boxers with thiccer frames). couple that with his very lean muscle mass and his penchant for skipping leg day.
     
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  11. christpuncher

    christpuncher Active Member banned Full Member

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    well parker at 6'4'' is too small for the top guys too so what's your point. Heavyweight's becoming a freakshow
     
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  12. Serge

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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Perhaps he could fight a real heavyweight rather than just standing next to them.
     
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  14. PunchersChance.

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    Ruiz and Wallin aren’t as tall as 6’4, they certainly didn’t look too small for the top guys. Would 5’10 Mike Tyson also be too small?
     
  15. MrFoFody

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    Usyk needs to step up to the plate against a solid opponent such as , Chisora, Takam, Parker, etc that way his true heavyweight potential can be measured.
    All this talk about sparring stories and amateur experiences is rubbish and child's talk.