Small cruiser can't beat huge, hard-hitting heavyweight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Big Ukrainian, Oct 14, 2019.



  1. iamtheman

    iamtheman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who is really claiming it's impossible though? The idea is that they're potentially at a big disadvantage, especially if the top men of the division happen to be massive (which the top three are [yes, i do think joshua will fight lengthy and beat ruiz in the rematch]) and are dynamic in their skills (beyond being one trick ponies, but even this isn't necessary looking at Wilder and Wlad). Height, weight and reach, if capable of being carried well enough to be used to their full advantage, can improve the viability of other assets like speed, footwork, ring IQ, etc.

    of course, you'll always end up with cases where big HW champs are particularly susceptible to the traits smaller men typically have over them, like speed, reflexes and movement. Or when CW and LHW-sized boxers are just flat out more skilled in every arena. these smaller boxers can have success at HW, it's when you get to the cream of the crop at the very top where it becomes a bigger ask, given those at the top are the ones using their gifts and skills to their utmost/better than everyone else.

    Plus, for ppl claiming otherwise, mere inches of reach advantage do matter if range is mastered, just as small advantages in speed and explosiveness matter in getting your punches on the mark before the other man when even a split second could be the difference between winning or being flat on ur azz.
     
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  2. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    You really do duck and weave around any post with substance huh? Again, you bring up points and then as soon as you're pushed, you deflect and move to another subject. It's pathetic.

    1. Parker lost because he was shook from the headbutt knockdown and then fought a bad fight. Whyte deserved the win. It was Parkers fight to win, and he let the referee and his own lack of aggression in the mid rounds dictate the result.

    2. "You gonna do a david haye excuse about his pinky toe and say the concussion turned the tide??" Holy ****. Did you just openly claim that a concussion wouldn't effect your performance? How old are you kid?

    3. What does anyones experience have to do with professional boxing? Congratulations, Whyte has done well as pro given his lack of experience. Does that now mean he's the best boxer in history? No. It doesn't.

    4. Triangle theories don't work, as you have pointed out. So quit with the bull**** about how Whyte beats this person and that person based off nothing but biased agendas. He is a very, very limited heavyweight who has done incredibly well through his grit. Much like his fellow countryman Chisora. But let's not make out he is something special, he's not.
     
  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    LIMITED????

    LOL

    Well GOOD NEWS for all "LIMITED" FIGHTERS in the world, you can become a top 5 contenders/


    3. What does anyones experience have to do with professional boxing?

    erm what lol?????????? What does anyones boxing experience have to do with professional boxing? Gee.. I wonder.... can I ask a friend?


    4. Triangle theories don't work, as you have pointed out. So quit with the bull**** about how Whyte beats this person and that person based off nothing but biased agendas

    HAHA I see.. butt lets continue hyping USYK who JUST MOVED UP, and ONLY BEAT CHAZZZ? Let's hype him up and throw all Whyte achievements under the carpet??

    Jesus ****ING CHRIST, and people ask ME why I am always agitated on here? Because of these dumbass responses. Grinds my gears.

    I didnt even bring up triangle theory, I said Whyte beat the top guys, been there, done that... and he would be too strong for Usyk who got marked up by Chazz, because guess what... WHYTE IS ****ING LEVELS AND LEVELS ABOVE CHAZZZ.

    ARGH
     
  4. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    440 days - 5,827 posts - More than 13 posts a day...

    Almost all of which have been to bloat the career of Whyte...and yet you get agitated? :cheer:
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    Go down to your local gym and instead of posting this moronic **** day in and day out, get some experience in the sport you claim to know so much about. Do something productive, because this isn't it.

    A wise man once told me not to argue with fools. Because from a distance you can't tell who is who - this is the perfect scenario.
    On that note, i'm going to stop entertaining you, as from what I can tell you are a teenager who hasn't developed the ability to reason.

    :ciao:
     
  5. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    And yet I am always right...

    said he would beat Parker Chisora Browne Rivas and you didnt believe it

    maybe it is you who needs to learn more sbout boxing... my brain is working perfect

    here is another prediction... if usyk meets whyte he loses....


    and when he does you can continue living in denial
     
  6. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Love the the thumb nail for this vid. How often do you see somebody punch up to the body?
     
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  7. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    I think he'll edge up to 220 but not beyond. Any more weight than that isn't gonna make him a big puncher but will slow him down. It's a fine balancing act for Uysk and his HW debut will have given him insight into his ideal weight....
     
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  8. ZablieJudahnoff

    ZablieJudahnoff Charleston White 2024 Full Member

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    Spong is a vile drug cheat. Usyk beating him would of been as easy as taking a ****.
     
  9. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    Dude Joyce is 34 right now.
     
  10. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Good thing mike hunter spent his whole amatuer career at heavyweight and is a more natural heavy then a cruiser.
    Definitely noticed a diff in his output and stamina at heavy. Hunter is a weight drained cruiser. I noticed when he went down to 201 in the olympics he looked off. Still beat beterbiev in my opinion though.
     
  11. LeftRightDownThePipe

    LeftRightDownThePipe Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    This. And Gassiev is a top 3 hardest hitter in the sport and Usyk easily survived being cracked on the chin by him. A couple of times.