Boxing needs to change!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by f1ght3rz, Oct 16, 2019.



  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    I have a suggestion.

    We've all watched matches where the referee would've called the fight off if the guy losing wasn't the 'house' fighter. That shouldn't happen.
    Note that I believe that most referees do a decent job and take seriously their responsibility to protect the fighters. Nevertheless, I would like to break the financial relationship between the fight promoter and the referee. I don't think the referee should be chosen, or paid by, the promoter of the contest. I think the referees and other officials should be appointed independently. I think they should have a responsibility to the fighters themselves and the sport, not to the company putting on the show.
     
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  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    I have no idea if Patrick Day would be still alive if the fight has been stopped in R7 or 8 instead of 1:50 in R10. Who knows. But there was some point where it was clear that a) Patrick Day ain't gonna win that one b) he is taking a huge amount ouf punishment and c) he's not looking good while fighting, with unsteady shaky legs, wobbling and stumbling around. And it wasn't starting in R10 tbh.

    Did you watch UFC at the weekend? Mike Davis vs. Thomas Gifford? That was truly disgusting. I hope Dana kicks the ref out of the UFC with a superman punch.
     
  3. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    To be honest the abdusalmov fight wasnt that much of a one sided beating, or the stevenson gvozdyk fight. I think the danger is in their all the time. It isnt that important if its a terrible mismatch or a well balanced fight. It might always be that ONE punch that starts it all.
     
  4. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I recommend that boxing lowers the number of rounds, go from 12 to 9 for championship fights, 10 to 7 for big non title fights and the rest should stay at 4-6, and i’d increase the glove sizes to 10 and 12 ounces. People have to understand that boxing is destructive and if we can minimize damage enough so boxers can to survive financially well while entertaining others then it should be done.

    Theres no reason for there to be 12 rounds where two men shorten their lives by 20 years in a span of 36 minutes of action. It’s disturbing to see so many retired boxers at 50 years old that can’t remember what day it is, where they are, form sentences or speak incoherently, thats no way to live no matter how much money they have. Same thing with the nfl, every game has most players damaging their brain and bodies while the fans are inhaling beer and pizza.

    Society should move on from violent entertainment and it looks like it’s happening slowly.
     
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  5. Double J

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    The open scoring point I understand. My argument against it would be this.

    What if a fighter in a very evenly matched fight is getting the nod from the judges each round. Is absolutely gassed after 8, and beginning to take punishment. But because of the open scoring he can only lose now if he was knocked out.

    Would that scenario not encourage him/his corner to keep him in longer than needed knowing he just needs to hear the final bell to win?

    The OP makes some excellent points by the way. I fully expect some changes and inquests in the near future, there needs to be.
     
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  6. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    As i wrote in the OP we all know it's impossible to reduce risks to 0. Not happening. In the end everyone can decide if he's taking the risks or not. BUT...it's not like there are no options to try to reduce the risks in some way.

    I don't think Conwell vs. Day was a brutal fight. It's not about brutal or not brutal. It's about HOW the fighter looks. Is he gassing badly? Is he wobbling and stumbling? Fishy eyes? Is he able to defend himself and also throwing back?
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The thing about the Day and Dadashev fights were that both guys were able to maintain enough of the form, and to land enough in return to make it seem as though they were competitive in their respective fights. There were points when both clearly lost their shape when the fight could have stopped, but that wasn't into fairly deep into both contests.

    That said, they both sustained enough punishment where checks from the doctor would have been in order. Once the physician started monitoring the fight more closely, the official would have been signaled to do the same. Perhaps more frequent doctor visits might be in order as a way to possibly prevent extended beatdowns.
     
  8. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    There should be more doctors around the ring anyway. A team like 1 doc for each corner + 1 neutral who is just watching the fight. They should discuss the fight and what happens and give the ref some advices between the rounds. There should be a closer work together between refs and docs, more docs, looking at the fighters inbetween rounds. What docs are doing these days? They getting their big moments if somebody is cut or injures himself. Anything else? No doc was checking Day once in the whole fight. Maybe not necessary in the first 5 rounds. But after R7 it was clear this could end brutal.
     
  9. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    One of the only posts Ive ever seen on the subject with decent suggestions. I would definitely support having judges for if the fight should continue and better education for all involved personel.
     
  10. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    I completely agree with the author of the thread and I'd want to add to his accurate proposals to disqualify for periods all those boxers who, in the face-offs, in the interviews, on internet, with the fans, etc., say that they wish to kill, or to send in coma their opponents or other disrespectful words towards the life of other boxers or human beings. I hope boxing truely becomes the "noble art" and that nobody dies in the ring..never again. After the death of Ayrton Senna new rules were approved in F1 and the number of dead pilots is decreased to zero. Its time even in boxing new rules dont allow what happened to the poor Patrick Day.
     
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  11. blackfella96

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    Richard Steele was a great referee at this, to call off the Taylor and Chavez was controversial but he said it himself, something along the lines of "No fight is worth a mans life".
    I think it's up to the referee to stop fights before they get dangerous, they are trained for it but it is hard sometimes because you don't know how effective the punches are, you only see and hear them not feel them.

    Hate to say it, but deaths and brain injury will always be apart of boxing. Whoever walks in the ring knows what can happen. Our bodies aren't made to get hit it the head continuously. I don't see anything else we can do to make the sport safer AND put bums in seats. I agree with your post but making boxing safer to the point where it's nearly amateur and stoppages will be constant will not give fighters the hard earned money they deserve.
     
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  12. bruce_keyes

    bruce_keyes Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what are you talking about? It's called THE REF! He was punching back til the very end. there's boxers who got KO'd way harder than Day... your post is just an emotional, knee-jerk response. Cool down, and make another post in 1 month. you will be more rational.
     
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  13. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Boxing has some of the most toxic, vile, and pathetic fans on the planet though, and they are as the ones that keep alive this culture of pissing on and tearing down fighters that know when theyve had enough.

    A large part of the boxing community gleefully jeer and insult these warriors when they quit (AJ, for a recent example, and Brook before him) and then turn around and act like fighters and coaches need to pull out more often, when tragedies like this occur.

    The boxing culture needs to change.

    Being a blood and guts warrior can still be highly praised. But quitting when you know youre beat doesnt have to be met with such cancerous disdain.
     
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  14. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Refs constantly fail fighters from taking excessive punishment. Constantly.

    Whats the problem with having more eyes on the situation?
     
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  15. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Totally agree.